Not if you like the name to begin with, but it does seem a bit creepy if you name your kid to "honor" the pastor. Why stop at the pastor? Why not go all the way to the top and name a son Jesus?
Mr. and Mrs. Quintana did.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
It's not that you can't become saved except through a pastor. It SHOULD be that if you ARE Christ's you'd want to be a part of the body, not separate. You'd WANT what God gave you, not rejecting it
I suspect a lot of Christians WANT what God offers, but they just haven't found those gifts yet. And some, after a long time searching, become discouraged and give up looking.
Not everyone 'out of church' is 'rejecting' God, Christ, His church, or anything else except what they believe to be false doctrine, false religion, etc.
And this applies across the spectrum of beliefs, by the way.
Romans 10 basically asks the question, "How can you be saved [believe] without a preacher?" That's not the same as "without a pastor." It essentially means, "How can you be saved unless someone be sent to preach you the Gospel?" True--how could we be saved if someone hadn't bothered to "preach" to us? We can't believe in a God we've heard nothing about and we can't hear about Him unless someone who has heard shares that with us. The context of that passage isn't about whether or not you can be saved if you don't have a pastor. I imagine if someone lived in some area of the world where there were no churches, they could still be saved, so long as at some point they heard the Gospel and acted upon it.
Church attendance and submitting to authority are somewhat separate issues. IMO, it is healthy and beneficial to gather with other saints to worship and be taught the Word, and it is good to be accountable to leadership that "watches for your souls."
The problem is, people aren't pragmatic enough and they think that finding a church and leadership is about finding a pastor and people who all agree with their particular interpretations of scripture. Good luck with that.
1. Your brothers and sisters in Christ deserve to have your love and fellowship whether you think they're right about everything or not, and
2. Submitting to your pastoral and church authorities will usually involve submitting your will and your ideas to the will and ideas of other people. Unless that entails going against scripture, being asked to sin, or having to tolerate [real] abuse, then submission is good for the Christian and accountability is even better.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Not if you like the name to begin with, but it does seem a bit creepy if you name your kid to "honor" the pastor. Why stop at the pastor? Why not go all the way to the top and name a son Jesus?
I don't think it's creepy to name your child after someone who is of esteemed character. How is that creepy? How is that different than naming a child after a cherished friend or family member or after some Bible hero?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Often times people name their children after people who have greatly effected them. I feel like out of all the people anyone could name their child after a good pastor would be a good choice of names.
Ya; nevermind that "curse of the Jr." thing...
It is disturbed, usually. Sorry.
I don't think it's creepy to name your child after someone who is of esteemed character. How is that creepy? How is that different than naming a child after a cherished friend or family member or after some Bible hero?
I suspect a lot of Christians WANT what God offers, but they just haven't found those gifts yet. And some, after a long time searching, become discouraged and give up looking.
Not everyone 'out of church' is 'rejecting' God, Christ, His church, or anything else except what they believe to be false doctrine, false religion, etc.
And this applies across the spectrum of beliefs, by the way.
Just sayin'.
I am convinced that most will never "find" these gifts, as they are relying on their pastor--and his platitudes--to lead them there.
"Seek your OWN salvation..."
I wonder what a pastor in wolf's clothes would look like, anyway?
Not saying that there aren't many, many good pastors;
but truly, ones pastor is not responsible for ones salvation,
and he will not save you in the day of judgement.
I do believe that you cannot "forsake the assembling of yourselves together".
Usually when you assemble, someone is the pastor.
I believe that if you cannot trust your pastor, then you need to find a new church.
I do not believe that the pastor is always right.
As my current pastor has stated many times, he is human and will make mistakes just like any person.
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If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under - Ronald Reagan
I do believe that you cannot "forsake the assembling of yourselves together".
Usually when you assemble, someone is the pastor.
I believe that if you cannot trust your pastor, then you need to find a new church.
I do not believe that the pastor is always right.
As my current pastor has stated many times, he is human and will make mistakes just like any person.
You illuminate the guy who puts himself at the head, revealing our unabated desire for someone earthly to follow; and not "Pastor."
But what you say is def fair--let's be honest;
pastors are just people, who felt they had a calling, or at least started with a desire, ostensibly to serve the Kingdom. Of course, the usual next step is to go and, essentially, become a sheep under the Sanctioned and Respected Body, whichever that body might be; Oral U, etc.
And, just like most everyone else, they hear a decent,
beginning explanation, a little pablum, if you will, of some Word;
and, just like most everyone else, any future revelation then must
not contradict what he feels he has "learned," or it will not be assimilated.
A little parable for ya; have a little chat with your 7 year old,
about where they think babies come from. Then, tell them the
truth; the whole truth. And nothing but the truth.
Observe the authoritarian denials; and compare.
Understand that a "pastor," having been "sanctioned"
by a "Respected Body," is at even more disadvantage than
a believer in this area. Unless they are an Indy, they are not allowed to change their "core" beliefs-
-which, btw, are also yack. Standards about dead stuff.
Peace.
How is that different than naming a child after a cherished friend or family member or after some Bible hero?
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