Are others called to Pastor?

[houston]

Originally Posted by dordrecht

yes, all 879 should have been around my
hospital bed and the pastor should have
been busy at his job being a greeter at walmart.

roflol!!!

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I am back because you and I love each other so much.

I love you back but I won't be hitting you back... I don't do that.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Yes, all 879 should have been around my
hospital bed and the pastor should have
been busy at his job being a greeter at Walmart.

I think the whole comment about your pastor working at Walmart is just sad. Why you would think that he could not get a better job than that? It is kind of insulting to your pastor.

While I am sure that there was probably not room for 800 souls in your hospital room or that you would feel comfortable with every man, woman and child seeing you in that condition... I do hope that there are some trusted souls in a church that large that could have prayed for you effectively and comforted you and your family.

If not, I am doubly sorry.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Good morning!

The only reason I come back here is
because you put words in my mouth.

I never said the pastor has ALL THE POWER,
I never mentioned TITHES going to the pastor.

You either did not read my posts and are making things up or
you are just a plain liar about what I posted.

it's very difficult to discuss something with
a person who makes up things to make himself
look good and "spiritual".

Dordrecht, I posted this but I never said that YOU said it did I? I never put words in your mouth. Why don't you just explain yourself a little better so that my responses will be more to the point.

For a recap here...we are discussing pastors and is it biblical for one pastor to one congregation. I asked why are we paying people (pastors in particular) to do a work for Christ? You said:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

If a person is in full time ministry he should get paid.
How else is he going to put food on the table?

Your definition of pastor and the bible's definition is what? I have been asking you what are the scriptural references that pastors use to justify their position over the church. That is what I have been asking. You have yet to give me any scriptural answer. You will not give me a biblical definition of what a pastor is or his scriptural duties. You came here calling people on this forum crooks, labeled this thread as a "pastor bashing" thread and now you are calling me a liar. I do not appreciate that at all!

Do you deliberately skirt questions and not give adequate answers so that someone has to assume you agree with the current mindset on biblical matters, then turn around and call people liars and accuse them of being thought of as spiritually superior to everybody else?

I am going to clear this up right now. When I asked you to give me scriptural description of what a pastor's duties are and what he biblically does to earn what you termed a decent wage, you answered this:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I have said I am out of here.

You know what the duties are.
Check your bible.

This discussion goes nowhere.

Good night.

I answered:

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

If you were out of here, why then did you come back and give me a non answer?

I did check my Bible and there is nothing in the NT that gives a pastor all the power over the people that is currently given in the OP organized church system. There is nothing that says the tithe goes to the pastor. I want to read where you see the connection...from your pov

Where do you read that I said you said any of this? Look over the whole thread. You will not find it.

That's the problem here. You will not give any scriptural references or even how or why you think they should get paid a decent wage. You don't even state what a decent wage is.

What you will find are your non answers and my assumptions that you must believe the accepted notion throughout the OP community that pastors get the "tithes", or at the very least a goodly portion of "tithe money" because you refuse to give clarity to what you are thinking or believing.

So how about you actually giving viable answers so people can understand your pov before you deny anything or call people liars.

I am no liar and for you to publicly accuse me of being one is falsely accusing me.

For the record, I know where the duties of the pastor originated, why he is placed in such a lofty position of power and why he is allowed to make rules for the church he pastors. Such duties were not given to him from the bible either.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Yes, all 879 should have been around my
hospital bed and the pastor should have
been busy at his job being a greeter at Walmart.

Ah I see the light now, you are correct, not one person in the church EXCEPT the Pastor should ever visit and pray for the sick and needy

Do you go to a Catholic church?

BTW I said the church and your answer indicates the pastor is not part of the church. See how idiotic you sound when you practice absurdity instead of dialog?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I love you back but I won't be hitting you back... I don't do that.




I think the whole comment about your pastor working at Walmart is just sad. Why you would think that he could not get a better job than that? It is kind of insulting to your pastor.

While I am sure that there was probably not room for 800 souls in your hospital room or that you would feel comfortable with every man, woman and child seeing you in that condition... I do hope that there are some trusted souls in a church that large that could have prayed for you effectively and comforted you and your family.

If not, I am doubly sorry.

The man doesn't really have answers or scriptures, so to make up for it he posts absurdities

[The Lemon]

...mmmmm......I see nothing wrong with giving, I see nothing wrong with tithing, if you choose to do that, and I see nothing wrong with giving money, time, groceries, prayers, fasting etc., to lift up leaders and saints alike, I also see nothing wrong with giving to neighbors, friends, and strangers in need.

I do, however, see a huge problem in some cases, on how it is taught, practiced, and in some cases legislated and mandated.

Shame on me if I am tight, selfish and ungiving, and then proclaiming to be a Christian...

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

...mmmmm......I see nothing wrong with giving, I see nothing wrong with tithing, if you choose to do that, and I see nothing wrong with giving money, time, groceries, prayers, fasting etc., to lift up leaders and saints alike, I also see nothing wrong with giving to neighbors, friends, and strangers in need.

I do, however, see a huge problem in some cases, on how it is taught, practiced, and in some cases legislated and mandated.

Shame on me if I am tight, selfish and ungiving, and then proclaiming to be a Christian...

[AreYouReady?]

Actually, people give more when it is not mandated. They give freely out of a cheerful heart as the Lord has prospered them.

[bbyrd009]

Americans are known as effusive givers-
-the rest of the world basically does not tip.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

...so to make up for it he posts absurdities

and reveals premises...viola'

[BeenThinkin]

The question has been asked on this post as to the definition of a Pastor. Biblically? I don't know if this is Biblical, but I thought I might try to shed some light on the duties of a Pastor.

1. Preach better, shake enough hands, hug enough necks & hold enough babies to out do all of the other preachers who were all sent (by God!) to try out for the church.

2. Study, pray and preach!

3. Visit the hospital and nursing homes.

4. Preach funerals.

5. Marry the lovers, dedicate the babies, baptize the unbaptized...(is that a good word?)

6. Pick up snotty kleenex from the sanctuary.

7. Take out the trash.

8. Flush the unflushed commodes in the rest rooms... (Yes, in both!)

9. Be a plumber when the commodes stop up.

10. Turn off all the lights left on by all of those who feel like they should be the Pastor! (Touche!)

11. Change all the filters in the air conditioners.

12. Pick up the Bibles left in the sanctuary.

13. Call and /or write to all of the visitors....(If someone on the team happened to get a card filled out by the visitors.)

14. Pick up trash on the outside.

15. Make sure air conditioners are turn on early enough and turned off afterwards.

Now that, I guess, might cover some of the duties of a Pastor. Biblical? I'll let you decide! But in spite of all the joking around it's one of the greatest honors to be called "Pastor!" I know, "I are one!"

Been Thinkin