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Old 10-09-2012, 04:53 PM
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Re: Ministering to the Transgendered

Back to the original question of this thread I have a question.

If you are ministering to a transgendered person and they ask where the bathroom is do you direct them to the mens or ladies room?
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:15 PM
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I think a lot of these things are happening
because of incest.
That's why the statistics are high
in one area and very low in another
area.




What?
I was referring to the 1 in 100 statistics.
Which I doubt.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:44 PM
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I, for all outward appearances, had the appearance of a pure holiness woman. I told my husband things about me after his proposal and before we married that even my roommates of several years and close friends did not know.

It turns out that 21 years into my marriage, my sister got viscously angry at me and I had to leave her home in order to keep from having a deep and sustained fight. After I left, she decided to give my brother and my husband an earful about my past in the deliberate attempt to deliver a mortal wound to me and my marriage. Only that did not work out for she underestimated the solidness of our marriage based on love for each other and for God and truth. She assumed that I kept certain things back from him.

My husband came home, seeing the attack for what it really was and commented on her motive for saying all of what she did about me. Some of what she said was correct, some was incorrect...pure embellishment on her part to make me look worse in the situation that I made for myself so many years before my husband and I met.

There are many first marriages that wrecked because the couple was not mature enough to marry in the first place. The love bug (is it really love or sexual desire?) bit them and for the first few years they love each other until reality sets in.

A sexual mistake at the age of 16 is pretty obvious that he/she was immature at the time it happened. It is an act that he/she should have to face the reality that it cannot be undone. If the engagement is destroyed, then the partner cannot deal with her immature act. He is expecting something that isn't and it is better if he knows it before marriage because there is always someone who knows and would be willing to divulge that information when it is convenient for them. Reputations change with a person's actions. Paul's reputation was of persecution to believers...until he repented and became a believer himself. Any mature adult who believes themselves to be Christian would consider her works since she repented of her sin.

As for the woman who told all to her future husband and he threw all of that into her face with every fight....this is on him. He cannot say that she deceived him beforehand. He is the one with a big problem and eventually this marriage will wreck ...not because of deception, but because he married her for the wrong reasons and cannot truly accept her as she is now. She hasn't broken his trust. He went into the marriage with his eyes wide open and now he brings back some past fault to rub her face in and that is not a loving husband.



Why bother laying it all out there? Because the old adage that "knowledge is power" is valid. Knowing what you are getting into helps you make informed decisions...that the other spouse does not feel cheated if he or she finds out something .

You lay it all out there and let the chips fall where they may. If the love doesn't last through the engagement with what they learn about each other, would it survive the shock after marriage?



Yep. That is one reason why our previous marriages did not work.

My first hid the fact that I was # 3 and that he had been in prison twice before we married. Yep. He told me it was none of my business.

It surely was my business and would have made a big difference if I had known why I was #3 and what happened that landed him in prison...not once, but twice. That one was on me for not waiting long enough during engagement to get to know him better. At some point in time it would have come out before marriage ...just as it came out during our marriage. I would not have felt so deceived and then burned when he spit out it was none of my business.

Ok I confessed all of that so that maybe people might see why it is so important to be honest with future spouses.
On this sis we'll just have to agree to disagree People mature over time. A wonderful 21 year old man is not the man he will be at 30. Some things can wait. Every situation is different. There were things I did not know about Don and over time as situations came up where I needed to know he was honest. There are probably still some things I don't know, Don was a lead guitar player in a popular rock band for several years and lived a very wild life... I don't doubt he'd tell all if I really wanted the details but why would I want that movie playing in my head?

I look at it like this... If Don would leave me now over something I failed to disclose, I'd pack his bag.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:45 PM
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Back to the original question of this thread I have a question.

If you are ministering to a transgendered person and they ask where the bathroom is do you direct them to the mens or ladies room?
Whatever sex they currently identify with. Next.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:34 PM
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Whatever sex they currently identify with. Next.
Oh, next, really? You stole my word.
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On this sis we'll just have to agree to disagree People mature over time. A wonderful 21 year old man is not the man he will be at 30. Some things can wait. Every situation is different. There were things I did not know about Don and over time as situations came up where I needed to know he was honest. There are probably still some things I don't know, Don was a lead guitar player in a popular rock band for several years and lived a very wild life... I don't doubt he'd tell all if I really wanted the details but why would I want that movie playing in my head?

I look at it like this... If Don would leave me now over something I failed to disclose, I'd pack his bag.
It wouldn't do you any good now, after all these years to have that playing over and over in your head. The time for that would have been before you married, so you could have made an informed choice about you are going to spend the rest of your life with. You and I married a little more mature and a little more wiser on our choices the second time around. You and Don unspokenly chosen to not disclose everything about yourselves. Sometimes people have that kind of relationship. But neither of you went into the marital relationship totally blind of even a hint of each other's past.

No doubt that we will be judged by some reading this here as committing adultery. I've long ago decided that this adultery question was settled before I married...before God and by both of our pastors, all who know the entire story.
God gave me a wonderful husband and I try to be the best wife I know how to be to him. I guess I'm not doing so bad since we are still together starting our 29th year now.

But apparently the male counterpart in the original question is having trouble dealing with it. So......somebody is feeling either deceived or has a change of mind with the whole matter.

I am thinking that we will surely agree to disagree.

I also realize that what works for me may not have worked for you or for others. But I will always take the approach that honesty is the best way to start out a marriage. If one partner cannot get past a repented sin, then the the two of them should not marry at all. That will save a lot of grief.

Oh and people, long courting and engagements are worth something for your mind and soul.

Thank you MS tituswoman for your viewpoint and allowing me to have my viewpoint without malice on either one of our parts. It is one of those things I really like about you!
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:15 PM
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It wouldn't do you any good now, after all these years to have that playing over and over in your head. The time for that would have been before you married, so you could have made an informed choice about you are going to spend the rest of your life with. You and I married a little more mature and a little more wiser on our choices the second time around. You and Don unspokenly chosen to not disclose everything about yourselves. Sometimes people have that kind of relationship. But neither of you went into the marital relationship totally blind of even a hint of each other's past.

No doubt that we will be judged by some reading this here as committing adultery. I've long ago decided that this adultery question was settled before I married...before God and by both of our pastors, all who know the entire story.
God gave me a wonderful husband and I try to be the best wife I know how to be to him. I guess I'm not doing so bad since we are still together starting our 29th year now.

But apparently the male counterpart in the original question is having trouble dealing with it. So......somebody is feeling either deceived or has a change of mind with the whole matter.

I am thinking that we will surely agree to disagree.

I also realize that what works for me may not have worked for you or for others. But I will always take the approach that honesty is the best way to start out a marriage. If one partner cannot get past a repented sin, then the the two of them should not marry at all. That will save a lot of grief.

Oh and people, long courting and engagements are worth something for your mind and soul.

Thank you MS tituswoman for your viewpoint and allowing me to have my viewpoint without malice on either one of our parts. It is one of those things I really like about you!
I respect your view point completely. I even really wish that people could be more like Jesus and let repented sin go to the bottom of the ocean... they often can't and that does not mean they won't make a good mate... It just means they are human like the rest of us... I'd have that movie... I'm such a flawed creature.

As far as the adultery business... My ex was a master at at it. My divorce was biblical X10. I never worry about that one... God gave me a good one when I let Him do the pickin'
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