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Old 10-10-2012, 08:47 AM
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The Bush Doctrine doesn't comply with Just War doctrine. One cannot attack a country simply because it's a potential threat. I mean, we're potential threats to many countries... what if they adopted the Bush Doctrine tomorrow and implimented an attack to defend themselves from a future attack from America???

It leads us down the road to insanity. Just War Doctrine is the only context in which I can accept a war's validity:


Principles of the Just War
-A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.
-A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate.
-A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient--see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury.
-A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.
-The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.
-The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered.
-The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.
If just war doctrine was followed by everyone I believe there would probably never be another war as we know it...
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I just tried to imagine what Christ would say to him, and then I repeated it. Is this clear enough?
You are an imitator of Christ now?
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:13 AM
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Woza...

I am proud of you for speaking your mind instead of cloaking it in quips.

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Old 10-10-2012, 10:17 AM
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You are an imitator of Christ now?
That's just mean and nasty... crawl back in your hole now please.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:20 AM
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Well, what would YOU do when somebody
comes into your house, rapes your daughter,
kills your wife? Turn the other cheek and say
"go ahead" rape my other daughter too?"

I tell you what I would do: I would shoot
him BEFORE he comes into my house.
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That's just mean and nasty... crawl back in your hole now please.
Now that's a real Christian response!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:29 AM
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Well, what would YOU do when somebody
comes into your house, rapes your daughter,
kills your wife? Turn the other cheek and say
"go ahead" rape my other daughter too?"

I tell you what I would do: I would shoot
him BEFORE he comes into my house.
I'm not interested in your second hand defenses, Dordt. None of this ever happened to you. And yes, I would like to say, at least, that I would turn the other cheek, recognizing that according to Scripture, my women have their reward, and God demands that vengeance be His for the rapist. You outline well what a follower of satan should do, as usual, ty. Got Scripture for this?
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:31 AM
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Now that's a real Christian response!
Nobody's perfect.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:35 AM
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While I admire your pacifist stance bbyrd, sadly I do not think I could ever do it myself. I am prepared to defend family and home but war is another matter entirely. Most war is, at the end of the day, about the rich getting richer ... I'm not for that.
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I'm not interested in your second hand defenses, Dordt. None of this ever happened to you. And yes, I would like to say, at least, that I would turn the other cheek, recognizing that according to Scripture, my women have their reward, and God demands that vengeance be His for the rapist. You outline well what a follower of satan should do, as usual, ty. Got Scripture for this?
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