TD Jakes echurch - Page 3

Dedicated Mind · #21 10-15-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I think the more important question here would be who does God justify?

Let's look at the contrast.

We have some who are millionaires from tithes and donations. They live high off the hog teet, living in the best homes, driving the best cars, eating the finest foods...you name it, they are able to buy it.

Or...some very poor saint in a third world country who has nothing but himself and refuses to bow to fanatical pressure to denounce Jesus...and is killed. He loses the only thing valuable to him...his life.

What does Christ think?

We may be asked to give our all...what do we plan to give to God in our own personal ministry? Get ready....it's coming to America. Best to be making your decisions now and getting prayed up for that time that is soon to come.

you are swinging at a ghost, that is not what i'm talking about.

AreYouReady? · #22 10-15-2012, 10:43 AM

I'm not swinging at any entity, living or dead (ghosts).

I refuse to attach greatness to any flesh and blood.

Dedicated Mind · #23 10-15-2012, 10:48 AM

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Still a moot point.

We should never attach greatness to any one person except Christ.

I dare say TD Jakes or any high profile minister does not live like the Apostles lived. We count numbers, God looks at the hearts of those numbers. Only God knows the real effectiveness of those numbers.

i understand your spiritual insight, but i believe td is authentic and he is having real impact, spiritually and numerically. i won't argue with you, but in non spiritual terms, can you name a greater apostolic ministry? give credit where credit is due. even televangelists have an impact.

bbyrd009 · #24 10-15-2012, 10:51 AM

Sad to hear that "seeker" has been co-opted;
not too surprising tho I guess.

AreYouReady? · #25 10-15-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i understand your spiritual insight, but i believe td is authentic and he is having real impact, spiritually and numerically. i won't argue with you, but in non spiritual terms, can you name a greater apostolic ministry? give credit where credit is due. even televangelists have an impact.

I do not want to argue either DM. I cannot give credit where credit is due in regards to people's ministry...apostolic or otherwise. I have to let God give the credit. If one wants to put credit in regards to reaching numbers in an apostolic ministry, then the Roman Catholic Church has the greatest numbers since they claim to be "one holy apostolic church". They claim Peter was their first pope...that their doctrine descended straight down from Peter. eh?

I know that their version of apostolic is different from the protestant version of apostolic, so you would see that as a moot point.

I see NT scripture is that God is no respecter of persons. If one wants to put a badge of honor on one person bringing the most souls to Christ, then I guess that to be their prerogative.

It's just that I do not see any difference between TD Jakes, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Rob Parsley, Jimmy Swaggart, Joyce Meyer, Paula (whatever her name is) Atlanta Bishop, Steve Epley, Sam, AreYouReady, Dedicated Mind, T2w, Cindy, Praxeas, CC1, bbyrd, Pressing On, Deacon Blues and the whole human race. We all are flesh and blood, have to eat to maintain energy, put on clothes to cover our flesh and we each have a ministry of some sort to further the Kingdom of God that should be effective for Christ.

I just cannot attribute one man being greater than another in our current world.

No matter how effective they look.

Sam · #26 10-15-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

like tbf says, td jakes is a one step apostolic. he has not embraced the trinity but has a more nuanced view of oneness by acknowledging a distinction in the modes of the godhead which in my opinion is the way it should be. no sense in alienating trinitarians with dogmatic jesus is the father when you can be more nuanced and win more trinitarians to your ministry. godhead isn't even a salvation issue imho.

Oneness people don't even agree among ourselves on stuff like manifestations, offices, personas, personalities, masks, persons, etc. Why go through all this godhead gobbledy gook? Lots of people, trinity and oneness, believe that the God of the Old Testament came to earth in Jesus and that Jesus lives in us as the Holy Spirit.

Sam · #27 10-15-2012, 11:34 AM

at first glance I also thought it said eunuch instead of echurch

Titus2woman · #28 10-15-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I do not want to argue either DM. I cannot give credit where credit is due in regards to people's ministry...apostolic or otherwise. I have to let God give the credit. If one wants to put credit in regards to reaching numbers in an apostolic ministry, then the Roman Catholic Church has the greatest numbers since they claim to be "one holy apostolic church". They claim Peter was their first pope...that their doctrine descended straight down from Peter. eh?

I know that their version of apostolic is different from the protestant version of apostolic, so you would see that as a moot point.

I see NT scripture is that God is no respecter of persons. If one wants to put a badge of honor on one person bringing the most souls to Christ, then I guess that to be their prerogative.

It's just that I do not see any difference between TD Jakes, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Rob Parsley, Jimmy Swaggart, Joyce Meyer, Paula (whatever her name is) Atlanta Bishop, Steve Epley, Sam, AreYouReady, Dedicated Mind, T2w, Cindy, Praxeas, CC1, bbyrd, Pressing On, Deacon Blues and the whole human race. We all are flesh and blood, have to eat to maintain energy, put on clothes to cover our flesh and we each have a ministry of some sort to further the Kingdom of God that should be effective for Christ.

I just cannot attribute one man being greater than another in our current world.

No matter how effective they look.

^^^^^THS^^^^^

Titus2woman · #29 10-15-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sam

oneness people don't even agree among ourselves on stuff like manifestations, offices, personas, personalities, masks, persons, etc. Why go through all this godhead gobbledy gook? Lots of people, trinity and oneness, believe that the god of the old testament came to earth in jesus and that jesus lives in us as the holy spirit.

^^^^^and this^^^^^

Michael The Disciple · #30 10-15-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i would venture to say that td jakes ministry has baptized more people in jesus name than any other apostolic in the history of christianity. he has the biggest apostolic church in history. he is the most effective apostolic minister in the history of christianity outside of paul. i think a case can be made. any challengers?

Last I knew he would not even confess he was Oneness. Last clip I saw of him he would not even say "gay" was a sin. Far from Apostolic Christianity. As far as I know he teaches NOTHING in the way of true foundation doctrine except he might still baptize in Jesus name.

Oh and anybody can preach "hot sermons". Nothing about TD has ever impressed me.