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11-24-2012, 08:03 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Originally Posted by Sherri
I watched this show one time, and I found it incredibly sad. The young people were drinking a LOT and cursing a lot and it just seemed like they were going to the extreme when they left the Amish church. The girls were dressed really risque and very immodest. It was like they didn't know how to reach a balance. They did attend a church in New York City though - a black Spirit filled group and they seemed to like it.
It did remind me of the way a lot of people act when they first leave UPC. It's like they swing over to the extremes and get goofy.
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I wonder if this is the show you are thinking of. It almost sounds to me like you are thinking of Breaking Amish, which I do not like. It seems pretty fakey and these people REALLY go off the edge.
In Out of Order, the boys are drinking and going too far, that is true. So far, I have seen only one girl who left and I am very impressed with her. She is keeping some morals and just seems like a really good person.
I agree when many of them leave they go off the deep end. Those are also the ones they love to show on TV. I think there are also many who do not, just like there are both kinds that leave the UPC. Yes, some do go very off the deep end...
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11-24-2012, 09:25 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
My theology was put into a tailspin when I realized speaking in tongues doesn't mean you are saved. Pentecostals believe you aren't saved until speak in tongues.
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What is amazing to me is that I finally figured out after many years that a person can dress "right", be baptized in Jesus name and speak in tongues and NOT BE LIVING FOR GOD AT ALL!!!! These things prove nothing and they are the dividing line between the saved and the unsaved that the Pentecostals use. For me, I had a REAL experience with all of this so I assumed everyone else did too. Finally, I figured out that you don't have to have a real experience at all to be accepted into the Apostolic/Pentecostal church and that many DON'T! They just do what the preacher says and they are "in". Sad.
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11-24-2012, 09:31 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Pentecostals believe you aren't saved until speak in tongues.
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TV1a that is a broad brush your using, not even all Oneness Pentecostals believe that and for sure the Trinitarian Pentecostal churches don't hold to that belief and are still Pentecostal.
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11-24-2012, 05:22 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
Not every Democrat supports abortion, but if you call yourself a Democrat, expect people to label you as a baby killer supporter. If you identify yourself as a oneness pentecostal, you have to speak in tongues to be saved.
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TV1a that is a broad brush your using, not even all Oneness Pentecostals believe that and for sure the Trinitarian Pentecostal churches don't hold to that belief and are still Pentecostal.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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11-24-2012, 05:29 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Originally Posted by ILG
I wonder if this is the show you are thinking of. It almost sounds to me like you are thinking of Breaking Amish, which I do not like. It seems pretty fakey and these people REALLY go off the edge.
In Out of Order, the boys are drinking and going too far, that is true. So far, I have seen only one girl who left and I am very impressed with her. She is keeping some morals and just seems like a really good person.
I agree when many of them leave they go off the deep end. Those are also the ones they love to show on TV. I think there are also many who do not, just like there are both kinds that leave the UPC. Yes, some do go very off the deep end...
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You could be right. I didn't realize there was more than one show like this!
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11-24-2012, 07:46 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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TV1a that is a broad brush your using, not even all Oneness Pentecostals believe that and for sure the Trinitarian Pentecostal churches don't hold to that belief and are still Pentecostal.
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All the Oneness OP's I knew believed that.
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11-25-2012, 07:11 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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All the Oneness OP's I knew believed that.
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HEY! You know me! (sort of)
I never believed that, and certainly have known others as well.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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11-26-2012, 09:24 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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HEY! You know me! (sort of)
I never believed that, and certainly have known others as well.
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Okay, you are one of the rare ones.  I never knew any that I didn't meet on the internet. All the ones that may have been that way back in the day were closeted, at least to me. The preaching and shouting was all geared towards 3 steppin' and tongues speakin'.
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11-26-2012, 05:41 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Not every Democrat supports abortion, but if you call yourself a Democrat, expect people to label you as a baby killer supporter. If you identify yourself as a oneness pentecostal, you have to speak in tongues to be saved.
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The words of jesus are that only he is the way. he never said we had to speak in tongues. yes, I am pentecostal.  
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11-26-2012, 08:12 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
Just to keep things in perspective... Ten years ago Talmage French documented 23 Million (I think that is the number) Oneness Pentecostals in the world...
I think it's safe to say, of these, three steppers are a minority.
Lighten up peeps! Just because someone is baptized in Jesus Name, and believes tongues have not ceased, does not mean they reject salvation by faith alone, and justification by faith. Nor does it follow that they reject all other Christians and look for heaven to be a massive UPC General Conference. LOL!
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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