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06-02-2012, 08:17 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Originally Posted by hawks-cry
Oh my. This resonates with me, "AreYouReady." I suffered a lot of stuff growing up...(many days being forced to stay in a dark,..closed closet,..etc. etc. etc. etc. (don't want to go into detail. Sent to children's home. ran away from chrildren's home. Wound up in upci bible college. Graduated. Wound up in abusive marriage,...etc. etc. (and so forth).
So I hear ya,..............(you are not alone).
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You mean a good pray'n through at a UPC alter didn't help?
(Sarcasm in full force. I never knew a good "pray'n through at a UPC alter" to help anyone.)
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06-02-2012, 08:26 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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You mean a good pray'n through at a UPC alter didn't help?
(Sarcasm in full force. I never knew a good "pray'n through at a UPC alter" to help anyone.)
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-02-2012, 08:45 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Originally Posted by hawks-cry
Oh my. This resonates with me, "AreYouReady." I suffered a lot of stuff growing up...(many days being forced to stay in a dark,..closed closet,..etc. etc. etc. etc. (don't want to go into detail. Sent to children's home. ran away from chrildren's home. Wound up in upci bible college. Graduated. Wound up in abusive marriage,...etc. etc. (and so forth).
So I hear ya,..............(you are not alone).
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Memories are uncomfortable but my counselor told me the only way out of the fear and shame, (yes shame) was "through it". That was over 20 years ago and God helped me "through it".
It's not scary anymore, but I do understand that remembering those days when you start to deal with what happened to you, is almost like reliving those days once again.
Yeah...I left out many things in my little testimony there. But when one grows up in abuse, it's almost like one is an unwitting magnet for others to abuse.
I had to learn to recognize that and to recognize when people would manipulate conversations to get their way.
God gives us the wisdom to know the difference between true friendship and manipulation if we ask Him.
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06-06-2012, 06:37 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
Watched this show last night...REALLY interesting. I can't help but feel for Mose and those young folks..WOW.
I did see where one young Amish lady was going to be getting help from a local Pentecostal group, which had alot of ex-Amish in the assembly. I had some mixed feelings about that...mostly because it seems these folks who have been abused need to deal with that first before jumping in with both feet into another religious circle.
I know that sounds cynical...but seriously...why leave one barn because it is red only to find your dwelling in another barn that is blue....anotherwards, these people need to come to grips with why they want to leave the order FIRST. I can see why a pentecostal church would provide some sense of comfort, however, if the root cause of the separation is not dealt with she could end up having a repeat of experiences with the new "group"...
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11-22-2012, 08:52 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
I have watched the first 7 episodes of this. Really great show....The seventh episode really bothered me though because it is the one where the ex-Amish are going to the Pentecostal churches....it brought up some really negative feelings for me.
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11-23-2012, 12:09 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
The reason why praying through doesn't help much is because it is often the method a person clears the conscience instead of repenting. Many people are fooled into believing all is well when a person speaks in tongues. Praying through is not the magic bean that keeps someone from sinning.
There are people who frequently speak in tongues who don't live a Christ centered life.
Salvation is only a small part of God's plan for a believer. God wants people to be transformed into His image. God wants us to take on His characteristics.
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
You mean a good pray'n through at a UPC alter didn't help?
(Sarcasm in full force. I never knew a good "pray'n through at a UPC alter" to help anyone.)
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11-23-2012, 08:43 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Originally Posted by tv1a
The reason why praying through doesn't help much is because it is often the method a person clears the conscience instead of repenting. Many people are fooled into believing all is well when a person speaks in tongues. Praying through is not the magic bean that keeps someone from sinning.
There are people who frequently speak in tongues who don't live a Christ centered life.
Salvation is only a small part of God's plan for a believer. God wants people to be transformed into His image. God wants us to take on His characteristics.
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What is amazing to me is that I finally figured out after many years that a person can dress "right", be baptized in Jesus name and speak in tongues and NOT BE LIVING FOR GOD AT ALL!!!! These things prove nothing and they are the dividing line between the saved and the unsaved that the Pentecostals use. For me, I had a REAL experience with all of this so I assumed everyone else did too. Finally, I figured out that you don't have to have a real experience at all to be accepted into the Apostolic/Pentecostal church and that many DON'T! They just do what the preacher says and they are "in". Sad.
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11-23-2012, 04:50 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
When my mothers family came over here in the 1820's they were Amish. Then they became mennoite in the 1830's. They wre pastors and pastor wives.
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11-23-2012, 09:11 PM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
I watched this show one time, and I found it incredibly sad. The young people were drinking a LOT and cursing a lot and it just seemed like they were going to the extreme when they left the Amish church. The girls were dressed really risque and very immodest. It was like they didn't know how to reach a balance. They did attend a church in New York City though - a black Spirit filled group and they seemed to like it.
It did remind me of the way a lot of people act when they first leave UPC. It's like they swing over to the extremes and get goofy.
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11-24-2012, 08:01 AM
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Re: Amish: Out of Order
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Originally Posted by Sherri
I watched this show one time, and I found it incredibly sad. The young people were drinking a LOT and cursing a lot and it just seemed like they were going to the extreme when they left the Amish church. The girls were dressed really risque and very immodest. It was like they didn't know how to reach a balance. They did attend a church in New York City though - a black Spirit filled group and they seemed to like it.
It did remind me of the way a lot of people act when they first leave UPC. It's like they swing over to the extremes and get goofy.
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Yeah, from one extreme to the other. And the decide to stay Amish or be "English".
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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