A Meaningless Salvation

[renee819]

I think what he is saying, is, It is ridicules to think that a sinners prayer saves you. Or, OSAS, so go do what you want.

Or even, as many Pentecostal’s are taught or come to believe on their own. That when you are ‘born again’ you have it made. Just obey the rules, of what your Pastor teaches you. Many times meaning, outward holiness. Be in church every time the doors are open and pay your tithes. And very little about the inward man and how to overcome, greed, pride, selfishness, off color talk just on the borderline of porn, how to treat your neighbor, and the greatest, what is love.?

The truth is, You must be ‘born again’ before you have the power to live a holy life. (And that does not mean that you will) You may have the wrong teaching of what a holy life consists of. You will only get that from desire and the study of the Bible, as a small group and on your own, seeking for truth.
You can not work your way into being born again. Born again, must come first.

As far as Formula’s. Jesus taught the Apostles, gave Peter the Keys (understanding) and Peter really did give us a Formula. Repent, be baptized in Jesus name and receive the Holy Ghost. And as our example’s, we see that the evidence of the Holy Ghost was speaking in other tongues.

However, that is only the beginning. But to think that is all there is to salvation, would be like, a newborn baby, being left to get it’s own food, learn to walk, talk, or how to function as a responsible human being.

Of course none are left like that. However, they are put into a Denomination which is like an orphanage, where all are treated alike. No Disciplining there. I believe that is exactly why the Apostles, which were left to set up the Church, started out with House Churches.

People say, Oh but a house church could go wrong. True! But that depends on the condition of the heart and spirit of those attending, which is also true of any Denomination. When a people don’t let Jesus be the Head, whether a Denomination or an individual, they have already went back to the pig pen.

If six people or a whole Denomination are looking for ways to be as close to the worldly spirit, as they can be without getting caught (which many don’t understand is the spirit of the Devil) they will compromise, rationalize and finally come up with a solution, to ease their conscience. Or they will backslide.

A Denomination can’t function very long, unless they Legalize their man-made laws and rules. And when people get sick of that, it usually turns into, “anything goes.” I’ve seen it happen. And am seeing it happen more and more.

And yes, the churches are turning into social clubs and meaningless Religion. There is no such thing as meaningless salvation, unless a person is talking about people that were truly born again, and then turning to sin.

[houston]

I don't care what he's saying. He veered off topic so he wouldn't have to address the point that was made by TV.

[tv1a]

Acts 2:38 isn't a get out of hell free card. Annanias and Saphhira prove that point.

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

That doesn't de-legitimize the New birth by any means. One is continually transformed through the ongoing process of sanctification, I agree but there is a single uniform experience of being "born again" present in scripture that precedes this.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Acts 2:38 isn't a get out of hell free card. Annanias and Saphhira prove that point.

In fact, being truly 'saved' isn't a get out of hell free card either, otherwise the warnings against apostacy and backsliding are meaningless.

I've always told my kids, it isn't about whether you spoke in tongues or got saved or got filled with the spirit back in 19whatever. It is all about are you saved NOW, filled with God's Spirit NOW, walking in truth and holiness NOW.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In fact, being truly 'saved' isn't a get out of hell free card either, otherwise the warnings against apostacy and backsliding are meaningless.

I've always told my kids, it isn't about whether you spoke in tongues or got saved or got filled with the spirit back in 19whatever. It is all about are you saved NOW, filled with God's Spirit NOW, walking in truth and holiness NOW.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In fact, being truly 'saved' isn't a get out of hell free card either, otherwise the warnings against apostacy and backsliding are meaningless.

I've always told my kids, it isn't about whether you spoke in tongues or got saved or got filled with the spirit back in 19whatever. It is all about are you saved NOW, filled with God's Spirit NOW, walking in truth and holiness NOW.

AMEN!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Trinitarians do not believe in three gods.

Once saved always saved believers do not believe in lasciviousness. The scripture, "He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it in you," is the scripture they use for their doctrine-- which is not explained properly by many within Pentecost.

Did the prodigal son ever stop being a son?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The idea of being "born again" or "saved" has become almost completely meaningless today. True self-transformation, the birth of a New Mind that Christ called "metanoia," is not something that can be handed out by priests and ministers for the asking. Such transformation requires conscious, deliberate, ongoing effort on the part of the individual... but not by "works" as in the context of doing anything in order to "earn" salvation! God requires us to choose His Life in every moment, and we must pay with ourselves to put Him first. Dying to yourself is the path to rebirth... not saying some magic words in a fervent moment in hopes that they will wash you clean forever. This kind of experience may well be a starting point but it is not the whole story; it is not the be-all and end-all of the spiritual journey. Christ summed up the Path to gaining entrance to the Kingdom when he said: "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

Guy Finley

You are right. What Christ did on the cross is not enough.
It's speaking in tongues and water baptism that saves the sinner.
Long hair helps too. And of course..ah....never mind the rest.

But you are right, one needs to work his/her way into heaven.
Nothing is free these days.

Just saying....

[tv1a]

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