A thought on tithing

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No doubt the church supported the ministry in their giving, I agree on that. The problem, and it's a critical one, is concerning just exactly what the church was that gave support to the ministry.

The concept of what the church is, is tremendously flawed in modern day Christianity in my opinion. While the protestants may have separated themselves from much of the Roman Catholic teachings, one major error was keeping the building-based religious system of Roman Catholicism. When Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, he was writing to a group of believers, called out ones, the ekklesia. He wasn't writing concerning the support a building-based religious system with the building being labeled the church. It's so ingrained within the mindset of Christians that they never stop and think about calling a building a church. Oneness Pentecostals take it a step lower many times by labeling a building as 'bro so-and-so's church'.

Does the bible teach there is such a building-based system in which to pay tithes. Not at all, in fact it's just the opposite. Paul touched on it in Galatians concerning those who were wishing to enter into something God has completely and totally destroyed. Christianity continues to attempt to set up the tithe supported priesthood and temple and call it ministry and the building a church or temple, or house of God. It simply isn't to be that way though.

So, tithing into a building-based 'church' system isn't really tithing into the church. The question remains, where is one to place their tithe?




Me too.

You should place your tithes/offering from which you receive your spiritual leadership, and feeding...makes sense to me. Where is would you offering your tithes/offerings?????

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Abraham and Jacob were Catholics you learn something everyday here? Then I guess Jesus was also a Catholic because He said to pay tithes?

I think our Catholic friends DEFINITELY claim Jesus as a Catholic!

[DaveC519]

Hello AreYouReady and Nitehawk013,

I'm pressed for time this morning, but hopefully will be able to respond to your posts this evening or tomorrow morning. Thanks!

[Steve Epley]

These armchair theologians can subtract 1/2 of a verse. Mt.23:23 they take judgment-mercy-faith and then reject tithes. They are NOT wise because they hear the sayings of Jesus then do not do them. Mt.7:24
They know NOTHING 1Tim.6:3-3

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

These armchair theologians can subtract 1/2 of a verse. Mt.23:23 they take judgment-mercy-faith and then reject tithes. They are NOT wise because they hear the sayings of Jesus then do not do them. Mt.7:24
They know NOTHING 1Tim.6:3-3

I never addressed the verse in Matthew.

I'm curious though, what exactly makes any of us an "armchair theologian" as opposed to you, who I assume, feel is a real theologian or minister?

I've read your posts for a few years now, and I like many of them, but one thing you certainly aren't is a theologian. You ARE at best a folk theologian, more interested in the dogma you accept and identifying verses you can use or manipulate to support them than you are in true systematic theology.

So if my study of systematic theology and belief that some of the dogmas of the church are incorrect and just pathetic theology makes me an "armchair" theologian in your mind...then I am proud to be such rather than being the kind of weak theologian you come off as. The fact hat you do little more than attack and make remarks meant to offend most of the time about those who you disagree with tells me you have no alternative. You can't argue on facts, so you attack.

Typical of your generation of ministers. Brow beat, belittle and assault until someone bows to the "man of god" and his opinion. Submission over scriptural truth.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Stretccchhhhiiinng

Yep

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I never addressed the verse in Matthew.

I'm curious though, what exactly makes any of us an "armchair theologian" as opposed to you, who I assume, feel is a real theologian or minister?

I've read your posts for a few years now, and I like many of them, but one thing you certainly aren't is a theologian. You ARE at best a folk theologian, more interested in the dogma you accept and identifying verses you can use or manipulate to support them than you are in true systematic theology.

So if my study of systematic theology and belief that some of the dogmas of the church are incorrect and just pathetic theology makes me an "armchair" theologian in your mind...then I am proud to be such rather than being the kind of weak theologian you come off as. The fact hat you do little more than attack and make remarks meant to offend most of the time about those who you disagree with tells me you have no alternative. You can't argue on facts, so you attack.

Typical of your generation of ministers. Brow beat, belittle and assault until someone bows to the "man of god" and his opinion. Submission over scriptural truth.

I like that 'folk theologian' thanks!
I gave you facts and you have given NO answer to the passage. It is not an original thought I got it from Jesus recorded by Matthew.

[Nitehawk013]

Matthew was Jesus dealing with a very specific event. So you have to view it in that context. Further, it was indeed OT, not NT. The pharisees and the offering were happening under the OT system. The point was that the Pharisees were so stuck on the letter that they failed the spirit.

Once the NT begins, you have multiple verses written in the NT verses where mercy, justice and such ARE still upheld. Verses where Paul, Peter, John, etc ever mention tithing as a commnd to the NT saints? ZERO.

Folk Theology is a school of theology, not a made up description.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Matthew was Jesus dealing with a very specific event. So you have to view it in that context. Further, it was indeed OT, not NT. The pharisees and the offering were happening under the OT system. The point was that the Pharisees were so stuck on the letter that they failed the spirit.

Once the NT begins, you have multiple verses written in the NT verses where mercy, justice and such ARE still upheld. Verses where Paul, Peter, John, etc ever mention tithing as a commnd to the NT saints? ZERO.

Folk Theology is a school of theology, not a made up description.

Yes Paul does mention tithing my friend gave you that. Y'all accused Abraham and Jacob of being Catholics.

We 'folk theologians' understand(as dumb as we are) they were not Catholics.

See Bible ignorance such as is shared here might make folks realize the preacher might be worth his money.

Now this brilliant student of theology has just told you everything written in Mt-Jn is not binding on the church today.

If you have judgment-mercy-faith in the church today then you must having tithing it is in the SAME verse spoken by the same man to the same people.

[Steve Epley]

Are we having fun yet????????????????


If ignorance is bliss I know some real happy people.