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01-17-2013, 06:47 PM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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brother eastman,
i know what i see & i know what god spoke to me & i can perceive that some are neutral, some are against the gossip, & some, no matter what are bound & determined to fix things.
It is amazing to me that they know more than david, know more than paul, are swift to judge, (hey somebody slipt me some info--it must be legit with no motives) & prefer to ignore the bible.
David wouldn't touch saul, even though god himself rejected him & annoited david to rule.
Paul in acts chapter 23 said that he wist not he was the high priest who admonished someone to strike paul which was against the law!!! This was the dude that was instrumental in crucifying our lord!
i am done! if they can't get it then they never will!
The ends justify the means!
I beleive god will have the final say & it is in his ball court now!
Bless you bro eastman & all that are standing in the right way!
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you guys are unbeleivable & rich, the amount ignorance is high if not off the chart!
One, i only belong to one ministers forum & i haven't posted there but once or twice in the last year & nothing whatsoever to do with this situation or forum.
Ask one of the ministers that belong to that forum & they can verify tha6t it is true, that makes whoever stated that, an out & out liar!
As the thread title states though, i am not surprised!
Prax, is one, trying to supercede the process of inv4estigation & calling for the ropes & tree (hence my lynching analogy which is bang on) & the minister in question is already guilty! Hands down.
i wash my hands of this, you guys can go play with fire--just down get burned.
Btw, a lot of bible characters may have been right but were either wrong in their application, or it wasn't their place!
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-17-2013, 07:17 PM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
It is good that a person KNOWS a wolf in a sheep's clothing. This is not stated to disparage anyone.
When the watchmen is not watching, the sheep themselves have to keep a lookout. I have not read this entire thread but these thoughts came to mind after reading a few posts.
Love your pastor and pray for him at all times even when he fails but never fail to watch and pray.
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01-17-2013, 07:31 PM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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yup, that was funny.
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Yup. Those bad lip reading clips are hilarious. My daughter showed me some of them awhile back.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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01-17-2013, 07:39 PM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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Originally Posted by Ron
You guys are unbeleivable & rich, the amount ignorance is high if not off the chart!
One, I only belong to one Ministers forum & I haven't posted there but once or twice in the last year & nothing whatsoever to do with this situation or forum.
Ask one of the Ministers that belong to that forum & they can verify tha6t it is true, that makes whoever stated that, an out & out liar!
As the thread title states though, I am not surprised!
Prax, is one, trying to supercede the process of inv4estigation & calling for the ropes & tree (hence my lynching analogy which is bang on) & the Minister in question is already guilty! Hands down.
I wash my hands of this, you guys can go play with fire--just down get burned.
BTW, a lot of Bible characters may have been right but were either wrong in their application, or it wasn't their place!
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Can't you just feel the love from our friend Ron! If he lived out in his posts the principles he claims to have I don't think he would be calling people names on here as he has resorted to I am noticing as I catch up today.
If I didn't know he was above such fallibility I would think some of you posters have been getting to him. As borne out by his name calling. Again kind of below the high bar he set out for everybody at the beginning of his thread.
I also am starting to think we need to start a pool to predict which "I am done" type remark will actually be his last word on this subject.
In the meantime I will just continue to be bemused as well as amused. Personally I am waiting for some more "God kills the saints" stories like the one he told about some woman talking about a preacher then God killed her, her husband, and their infant child because of it. Shame she wasn't here to defend herself. Also funny how I can't think of a single time God has taken out one of these duplicitous preachers who has been living in sexual sin while standing behind a pulpit preaching. I guess God only kills the saints in these situations. Must be some doctrinal point I missed when I earned my Theology degree.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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01-17-2013, 07:42 PM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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Originally Posted by CC1
Can't you just feel the love from our friend Ron! If he lived out in his posts the principles he claims to have I don't think he would be calling people names on here as he has resorted to I am noticing as I catch up today.
If I didn't know he was above such fallibility I would think some of you posters have been getting to him. As borne out by his name calling. Again kind of below the high bar he set out for everybody at the beginning of his thread.
I also am starting to think we need to start a pool to predict which "I am done" type remark will actually be his last word on this subject.
In the meantime I will just continue to be bemused as well as amused. Personally I am waiting for some more "God kills the saints" stories like the one he told about some woman talking about a preacher then God killed her, her husband, and their infant child because of it. Shame she wasn't here to defend herself. Also funny how I can't think of a single time God has taken out one of these duplicitous preachers who has been living in sexual sin while standing behind a pulpit preaching. I guess God only kills the saints in these situations. Must be some doctrinal point I missed when I earned my Theology degree.
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01-17-2013, 10:12 PM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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Originally Posted by CC1
Can't you just feel the love from our friend Ron! If he lived out in his posts the principles he claims to have I don't think he would be calling people names on here as he has resorted to I am noticing as I catch up today.
If I didn't know he was above such fallibility I would think some of you posters have been getting to him. As borne out by his name calling. Again kind of below the high bar he set out for everybody at the beginning of his thread.
I also am starting to think we need to start a pool to predict which "I am done" type remark will actually be his last word on this subject.
In the meantime I will just continue to be bemused as well as amused. Personally I am waiting for some more "God kills the saints" stories like the one he told about some woman talking about a preacher then God killed her, her husband, and their infant child because of it. Shame she wasn't here to defend herself. Also funny how I can't think of a single time God has taken out one of these duplicitous preachers who has been living in sexual sin while standing behind a pulpit preaching. I guess God only kills the saints in these situations. Must be some doctrinal point I missed when I earned my Theology degree.
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My old pastor had a ton of "This saint spoke against the 'man of gawddd!' and died!" stories, which he used quite effectivly against about 80% of the congregation. I should probably start referring to them as the "low information saints".
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01-17-2013, 11:05 PM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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My old pastor had a ton of "This saint spoke against the 'man of gawddd!' and died!" stories, which he used quite effectivly against about 80% of the congregation. I should probably start referring to them as the "low information saints".
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When I was young those stories were a staple in old time Pentecost at altar time. We certainly scared more people to Jesus than we loved them to Him.
It also showed in our numbers sadly. Those scary stories and series of sermons on Revelation would bring them in but not keep them.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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01-18-2013, 04:32 AM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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01-18-2013, 07:50 AM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
Double post.
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01-18-2013, 07:54 AM
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Re: Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surpris
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No....I am glad you wrote this. It validates the very thing I have been ranting about myself. I've heard it preach over the pulpit that parents should not talk about their pastor or the local church in general in front of their children. Yet, I know they do this very thing themselves! It is a lack of respect towards another human being all the way around--ministry and saint alike.
We seem to forget that our brother and sister elsewhere are struggling like we do. Some have more struggles...some less. We are not taught how to ease each other's sufferings.
I also have to learn to believe that there are good men of God out there...somewhere. And by men of God, I am talking about minister and saint alike because if God has given a person the Holy Ghost, then each person is a minister in some way that God called us to be.
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Did I learn from MY experience tho? Of course not! I was the atypical Apostolic- my children were all baptized before age of 6 and all had the HG by age 8. I feel that I was done a grave disservice by all the scare tactics preacher's used in my generation. It accomplished what THEY wanted- a full altar, and high #s to talk about the next time the 'good ol boys' club got together and bragged about their many exploits. I have even heard Pastors talkin about saints like they were on the auction block. "Ahhh, now Doc- if u take the 'So and So family' off my hands, I will pay tithes to YOU..." Or.."You sure you wont take the 'So and So's' off my hands, doc? I will give'em the gas money to drive across town!" HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR.... Even the memory makes me want'a puke. Wonder how it makes God feel, to hear MEN talkin about sumthin so precious to HIS HEART that He gave His life for it? 
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