I mustered up all the wisdom I could find and here is my answer............................................ .................................................. ................................................
I don't know.
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I mustered up all the wisdom I could find and here is my answer............................................ .................................................. ................................................
Hell is real & it is eternal! Hebrews 6:6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
It is a foundational truth!
You have interpreted "eternal judgment" as the traditional literal fire of hell. The literal rendering of these words is "judgment eonian", or an age of judgment, which I agree with. scripture4all.org/onlineinterliner/Greek_index.htm
Unbelievers will endure an age of judgment. ED has been so ingrained into Christianity, that there is no objectivity to the very idea that God, intends to literally burn, torture and torment most of his creation endlessly!!! To believe such a thing is insanity.
The soul that sins shall die, that is why Jesus died, that was the penality for sin, Jesus the sinless sacrifice undid Adam's transgression, God has reconcile all to Himself thru the blood of Christ. You are not saved because you believed, you believed because God had already dealt with your sins, by sending His son to reconcile the world to himself. While you were a sinner, Christ died for you, He is what the scriptures says the Savior of the whole world. (1 Tim. 4:10)
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
You have interpreted "eternal judgment" as the traditional literal fire of hell. The literal rendering of these words is "judgment eonian", or an age of judgment, which I agree with. scripture4all.org/onlineinterliner/Greek_index.htm
Unbelievers will endure an age of judgment. ED has been so ingrained into Christianity, that there is no objectivity to the very idea that God, intends to literally burn, torture and torment most of his creation endlessly!!! To believe such a thing is insanity.
The soul that sins shall die, that is why Jesus died, that was the penality for sin, Jesus the sinless sacrifice undid Adam's transgression, God has reconcile all to Himself thru the blood of Christ. You are not saved because you believed, you believed because God had already dealt with your sins, by sending His son to reconcile the world to himself. While you were a sinner, Christ died for you, He is what the scriptures says the Savior of the whole world. (1 Tim. 4:10)
Crakjak, you take scripture & twist it & get the doctrine of universalism which is basically, from the devil.
You are trying to put a "holy" God & make him into your "mindsest."
I am not going to play ring a round the rosie doctrinal discussion with you as I know you have been around the block more than once & should know better.
The Bible is full of scriptures dealing with the fate of the wicked & sinners & it isn't temporary!
Crakjak, you take scripture & twist it & get the doctrine of universalism which is basically, from the devil.
You are trying to put a "holy" God & make him into your "mindsest."
I am not going to play ring a round the rosie doctrinal discussion with you as I know you have been around the block more than once & should know better.
The Bible is full of scriptures dealing with the fate of the wicked & sinners & it isn't temporary!
Ron, what you refuse to acknowledge is simply your doctrine, your interpretation of the scriptures was not from the apostles or Jesus, it was twisted out by the Roman state. When the "church" was ruled by the Roman sword, to control and manipulate the masses. It is not the gospel of Jesus, it is the most horrible possible news, and is not worthy of an all powerful Creator. No one insisted that you respond to my original post, I am not a universalist, all will be judged, I simply believe Jesus accomplished what He claimed. He IS the Savior of the whole, if all are not eventually made right with the Creator then He made false claims, which I cannot accept. He is love, but if you don't understand right and do right His love turns to HATE???? Commands you to forgive 7 x 70, O yeah in a day, but He will not???? I will not apologize for thinking more highly of the Creator than the traditions of men.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Is there some reason God had to set things up the way he (according to you guys) did? Could he have done anything differently? Do you sometimes wish he had?
There's no reason that God HAD to do it the way He did unless He Himself established principles that must be followed through, as He will not violate His own rules.
Think about when man sinned against Him though. Man made the same decision the angels had made. To disobey and rebel. With the angels He chose to cast them away. No road to redemption.
But God decided His love for us would supercede His Judgement. And all through the Old Testament we see God pursuing man, so that He might redeem man back to Himself... and then in the NT He takes on flesh so that once and for all He will provide Himself as the lamb for the world.
He didn't have to do any of that. Could have said, man failed, I'll go create something else. But somehow, he looked at what dirt and His breath had created, and thought it worthy for a second chance.
There's no reason that God HAD to do it the way He did unless He Himself established principles that must be followed through, as He will not violate His own rules.
Think about when man sinned against Him though. Man made the same decision the angels had made. To disobey and rebel. With the angels He chose to cast them away. No road to redemption.
But God decided His love for us would supercede His Judgement. And all through the Old Testament we see God pursuing man, so that He might redeem man back to Himself... and then in the NT He takes on flesh so that once and for all He will provide Himself as the lamb for the world.
He didn't have to do any of that. Could have said, man failed, I'll go create something else. But somehow, he looked at what dirt and His breath had created, and thought it worthy for a second chance.
Do you think it's fair, how it's set up? The penalty for having any sin is death and torment? Do we deserve to be punished for something isn't our fault -- that it is impossible to be perfect? And the way to avoid our punishment is subject to debate, and we have to guess which way is right?
Could it have been set up to be more fair?
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