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02-15-2013, 05:14 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Do you know why they recalled the missionaries exactly? Maybe there was a threat against them? Or maybe the government wanted them out
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You need to do a search on here. There is an extensive thread about the Drost situation. Basiclay there was a dispute between Drost and the UPCI Foreign Missions division and Drost has pulled the entire Mexican UPC out of the main org. I am quite sure that is why the UPCI recalled missionairies and are not currently sending AIM's to Mexico.
I am sure they are waiting to resolve the situation or to get a new organization organized to go back into Mexico competing with Drost's org.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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02-15-2013, 05:31 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
In order to "submit to those who have rule over you," and in order for "everything to be done with decency and in order", the would be AIM'er who wants to go to Mexico needs to wait.
God is Sovereign.
If He has called you knowing that your understanding was that He was going to use you through the UPCI, He will either make His Calling for you so clear while opening another door that will be IMPOSSIBLE to reasonably refute as an act of GOD or He will work things out with the UPCI.
You could always leave the UPCI, but in this situation, I think that decision would be a bit hasty.
God has ordained human government.
God has ordained church government.
You need to wait.
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Good advise, listen to this.^
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02-15-2013, 06:56 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
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02-15-2013, 07:09 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
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You need to do a search on here. There is an extensive thread about the Drost situation. Basiclay there was a dispute between Drost and the UPCI Foreign Missions division and Drost has pulled the entire Mexican UPC out of the main org. I am quite sure that is why the UPCI recalled missionairies and are not currently sending AIM's to Mexico.
I am sure they are waiting to resolve the situation or to get a new organization organized to go back into Mexico competing with Drost's org.
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I read it the first time. My question is what about the Drost situation caused this exactly? What did it do to make them pull missionaries?
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02-15-2013, 08:33 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
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I read it the first time. My question is what about the Drost situation caused this exactly? What did it do to make them pull missionaries?
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I don't think anybody publicly knows the answer to your question about what happened but you don't have to know what happened to understand why they pulled missionaries back. Those missionaries were now part of a "rogue" National UPC work. The UPCI was not going to leave UPC missionaries being supported by the FM division there working under Drost and in facilities, etc that he controls.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-15-2013, 08:35 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
I'm just saying, maybe they had a good reason
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-15-2013, 08:51 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
There must be a serious impasse with Drost and UPCI Foreign Missions Dept., because Mexico would just be one of many countries where UPC is nationally registered and independent of UPCI (though numerically they are usually included).
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02-15-2013, 09:14 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
We have two former missionaries in our church, and our church supports a LOT of missionaries (who come by our church when they're on deputation). I have yet to meet a whiner. 
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02-16-2013, 12:34 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
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Originally Posted by Charnock
1. No one makes a missionary give up SQUAT. They go of their own accord. Don't sign up if you're going to whine about the mission.
2. Missionaries (UPC) are 100% funded. They get appliances, vehicles, great retirement, birthday and Christmas gifts and many times use the natives as personal servants.
I'm trying to understand what's so rough about the gig. Also find it hard to offer sympathy.
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Seriously???....I have a friend in missions right now that is being followed constantly by authorities waiting for her to slip up...she is is constant danger...and yet because of her love for the Gospel she keeps on. Her husbands (deceased now) health was broken after 27 years on the field, they were shot at, robbed, assaulted, and in danger multiple times.
You are so bitter against the UPC you have nothing good to say about any part of it.
Get over yourself.
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02-16-2013, 12:43 PM
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Re: How the T. Drost Situation Is effecting Me
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Originally Posted by strait shooter
Seriously???....I have a friend in missions right now that is being followed constantly by authorities waiting for her to slip up...she is is constant danger...and yet because of her love for the Gospel she keeps on. Her husbands (deceased now) health was broken after 27 years on the field, they were shot at, robbed, assaulted, and in danger multiple times.
You are so bitter against the UPC you have nothing good to say about any part of it.
Get over yourself.
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I don't care what denomination where a person is called. A missionary is a calling where you will see your rewards on the other side of this earth.
I have much respect for missions.
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