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02-20-2013, 05:19 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
Well....anyways :-)
Norris who wrote 'I Am' uses other translations than the KJV and he is a Prof at Urshan Grad
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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02-20-2013, 05:25 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
Um, y'all don't want to know what I think.
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02-20-2013, 05:40 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
If mat 28 is not original then the oneness explanation is false and a Oneness argument for 'Jesus' being the name of the Father, Son and Spirit is a lie
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If somebody should know the truth of Mateo 28:19 should be this next person.
No other other person in this planet is a greater authority in this matter than him and if you do not believe him, then you will not believe anyone else.
Here it is read below.
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our ( Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text ( Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.
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02-20-2013, 06:00 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
If somebody should know the truth of Mateo 28:19 should be this next person.
No other other person in this planet is a greater authority in this matter than him and if you do not believe him, then you will not believe anyone else.
Here it is read below.
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our ( Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text ( Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts. |
I am curious where you got this quote from. Can you cite your reference?
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02-20-2013, 06:08 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What makes you believe that school only uses the kjv?
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Isn't that the Bible Jesus used?
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02-20-2013, 07:13 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
If somebody should know the truth of Mateo 28:19 should be this next person.
No other other person in this planet is a greater authority in this matter than him and if you do not believe him, then you will not believe anyone else.
Here it is read below.
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our ( Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text ( Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts. |
Why would it be THAT person? Why, of all people, would you trust that person to tell the truth?
BTW how do I know he said that? Got a source? Also why is " Matthew 28:19" in parenthesis as if it was not actually HIS words?
You are also not addressing my point and admitting you believe that verse is proof of the Trinity and not Jesus name Oneness...very bad hole you've dug
I've searched and searched and never found the source for that quote. All you have done is what everyone else did, regurgitate these words without verifying where it came from and the original "quote" lacks the words in parentheses
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-20-2013, 07:22 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
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Originally Posted by CC1
I am curious where you got this quote from. Can you cite your reference?
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The original quote was not about Mat 28:19 it was about the origin of the Apostles Creed in relation to baptism.
In fact he asserts the Apostles Creed on baptism was fundamentally based on what Jesus said in Mat 28:19 and he then quotes it.
Read here
http://books.google.com/books?id=LJl...rse%22&f=false
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-20-2013, 07:25 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
Someone dishonestly put " Mat 28:19" in parentheses to distort what the man said and then people like the ones here simply regurgitated it
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-20-2013, 07:41 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
If somebody should know the truth of Mateo 28:19 should be this next person.
No other other person in this planet is a greater authority in this matter than him and if you do not believe him, then you will not believe anyone else.
Here it is read below.
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our ( Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text ( Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts. |
The issue isn't believing him, the issue is believing you. You're making these claims which you're simply copying and pasting from various sites but you're not posting the actual documents which are the source for that. Where did Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger write that? What document is this from? You simply make claims but without support for those claims. You're repeating rumors and attempting to pass them as "historical facts" when in truth you're not supporting those 'facts' but instead are playing on the ignorance and bias of individuals who wish to believe without proof.
Likewise you made this statement....""The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century." -The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263". That's another cut and past by you without you having the ability to actually produce anything supporting the cut and paste other than you simply cutting and pasting and claiming it's the truth. New Advent has the Catholic Encyclopedia online...would you please give a link to that particular statement in the online Catholic Encyclopedia?
Thanks.
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02-20-2013, 11:13 PM
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Re: The Apostolic New Testament soon to be publish
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Someone dishonestly put " Mat 28:19" in parentheses to distort what the man said and then people like the ones here simply regurgitated it |
If you want to keep on defending the trinity be my guest.
Here is my last quote of where I got my information, I truly believe this person that I am quoting is correct, perhaps you don't.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the 3rd day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name {Jesus} among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
I really hope you really believe this one person.
that is it that is my last witness.
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