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02-26-2013, 03:26 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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You really do lack understanding. That is a rhetorical argument telling the women that if they were uncovered it was the same shame as if they had shaved their heads. He wasn't telling them to shave their heads. It was an argument against being uncovered
1Co 11:5 But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is one and the same thing as having a shaved head.
1Co 11:6 For if a woman will not cover her head, she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, she should cover her head.
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What does Paul mean uncovered?
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02-26-2013, 03:50 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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What does Paul mean uncovered?
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not covered
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02-27-2013, 11:57 AM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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not covered
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Explain, how is the woman is not covered?
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02-28-2013, 10:36 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Explain, how is the woman not covered in 1Cor11?
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Prax, You have been avoiding answering this question for the last two weeks? We all know why!
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02-28-2013, 10:42 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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What does Paul mean uncovered?
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not covered
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Explain, how is the woman is not covered?
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Prax, You have been avoiding answering this question for the last two weeks? We all know why!
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The woman was not covered because she took her hair off before she started to pray and prophesy and Paul was angry. So he told her to put her hair back on and be covered so that she could pray and prophesy again.
 
... that must have really hurt!!! 
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02-28-2013, 10:58 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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The reasoning does not add up because Paul is saying "If the women be not covered, LET her be shorn or shaven." So the woman at this point was not already shorn or shaven, and yet she was uncovered.
In other words he would not say: Since you are shorn or shaven; I would rather that you be shorn or shaven. It would not make any sense.
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03-01-2013, 12:07 AM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Explain, how is the woman is not covered?
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She didn't have a covering on. Paul was addressing women who went against the local custom of having a covering on their head
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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03-01-2013, 12:08 AM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Prax, You have been avoiding answering this question for the last two weeks? We all know why!
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You haven't been asking me that question for the last two weeks lol. You just asked it and I just answered
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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03-01-2013, 08:35 AM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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She didn't have a covering on. Paul was addressing women who went against the local custom of having a covering on their head
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Exactly my point. Everyone thinks that 1 Cor 11 is only about hair, but how can you take hair on and off? Ouch!
Shorn or shaven is referring to hair, no matter how you want to word it. So at one junction he is talking about a woman's natural covering being her hair, which she cannot take on and off, and he is also at the same time referring to her outward covering, which at that time, would have been a veil, which can be taken on and off. He is referencing the natural covering (hair) and the physical covering (veil) all at the same time.
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03-01-2013, 03:04 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Exactly my point. Everyone thinks that 1 Cor 11 is only about hair, but how can you take hair on and off? Ouch!
Shorn or shaven is referring to hair, no matter how you want to word it. So at one junction he is talking about a woman's natural covering being her hair, which she cannot take on and off, and he is also at the same time referring to her outward covering, which at that time, would have been a veil, which can be taken on and off. He is referencing the natural covering (hair) and the physical covering (veil) all at the same time. |
Prove it! You need to rightly divide all New Testament refrences to hair, and it becomes obivious that the problem in many of the churches was that the hair was broidered. That is how the head is not covered, and the hair is not yet cut. As I have repeated several times, the hair is the covering, and if it is an UpDo, it is broidered, and the head is not covered.
Nowhere in any of the three major NT hair references do the Apostles ever refer to a man made veil covering the head being a problem. If they did-Please show me!
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