My pastor's wife had broidered hair?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

Now on a serious note. I was sitting here thinking, Paul's "admonishion" against hair and clothing seem to be part of the gospel to some, but what do they do about his instructions about silent women? Silence means not speaking at all, that would include singing, testifying, teaching, or even telling someone hello once they have entered the church, So, Could one of you, maybe Ron or Epley, explain to me why one is preached and the other isnt? Or if you believe that both apply, does you assembly enforce the silence rule??

You done gone and done it now......................

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

Now on a serious note. I was sitting here thinking, Paul's "admonishion" against hair and clothing seem to be part of the gospel to some, but what do they do about his instructions about silent women? Silence means not speaking at all, that would include singing, testifying, teaching, or even telling someone hello once they have entered the church, So, Could one of you, maybe Ron or Epley, explain to me why one is preached and the other isnt? Or if you believe that both apply, does you assembly enforce the silence rule??

Because I said so, and because the sun rises in the east, not the west, now go and repent!!!!!!!!!!

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Cindy

You done gone and done it now......................

[PastorTLArt]

I had to just a bit!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

Now on a serious note. I was sitting here thinking, Paul's "admonishion" against hair and clothing seem to be part of the gospel to some, but what do they do about his instructions about silent women? Silence means not speaking at all, that would include singing, testifying, teaching, or even telling someone hello once they have entered the church, So, Could one of you, maybe Ron or Epley, explain to me why one is preached and the other isnt? Or if you believe that both apply, does you assembly enforce the silence rule??

How could she pray or prophesy, in the church, if she was to keep silent?

[Sweet Pea]

This is probably not the thread to bring this up - however, there have been some posters who are VERY adamant that long means uncut. It appears to me that these posters are men. Before I ask my question, I want to make it clear, as I stated in another thread, I l have long hair (as in below my waist). I have no intention of trying to shortcut my own personal preference; however, I have learned (the hard way) not to judge other people by my own convictions and preferences. Having said that ....

Have any of you men (those who are so adamant that women who cut or trim their hair will not make it to heaven) ever gone through the experience with your wife or daughter when they have lost their hair due to medical conditions/treatments. For example, chemo treatments for cancer. I don't want any responses regarding some Godly saint in your church or someone that is an acquaintance or friend and you watched them deal with this circumstance with grace and longsuffering and THEY never touched their hair with scissors. If it came out on its own, it came out, but THEY would NEVER do such a thing! I want responses regarding only your wives or daughters who have had LONG hair (I mean waist length or longer).

Have you sat on the floor with them as they were sick beyond belief from the chemo - in pain and suffering - for hours on end. Have you watched as they dealt not only with the physical suffering but the "burden" of having their hair string down around their face and into the toilet as they emptied their guts? Yes, it will string down. Someone in this condition doesn't have the energy or inclination to put it up. Pins hurt their head, clips are annoying when you finally get the opportunity to lay your head on a pillow on the bed. Hats and scaves don't always work to keep the hair away from the face and all together. They can also become a nuisance when trying to finally rest. Chemo doesn't always cause a person to lose all the hair and when it does, it doesn't always come out all at the same time. It comes out in clumps and drops everywhere - being messy and hard to deal with.

If you saw your wife or daughter in this condition, would you condemn her to hell, if she choose to cut it shorter so that it wasn't a burden during this time? Yes, I said "burden"; once you have watched someone go through this, you realize that there is no "glory" in it. It is a burden to the person who is ill as well as to the caretaker. There is nothing that hurts the heart more that watching someone you love suffer through this pain and agony and then also suffer the indignity of having their hair an issue because of the length.

Having said all that: I can't believe that God, who made all things so clear in the OT regarding the laws, could leave something so unclear if it is a heaven or hell issue. There is nothing left to interpretation when adultery, gossip, fornication, etc. etc. are listed. Why would He have left so much to interpretation of Greek, culture of the day, etc. etc. There are many things Paul states as sin. Cutting hair is not one of those things. JMHO

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

This is probably not the thread to bring this up - however, there have been some posters who are VERY adamant that long means uncut. It appears to me that these posters are men. Before I ask my question, I want to make it clear, as I stated in another thread, I l have long hair (as in below my waist). I have no intention of trying to shortcut my own personal preference; however, I have learned (the hard way) not to judge other people by my own convictions and preferences. Having said that ....

Have any of you men (those who are so adamant that women who cut or trim their hair will not make it to heaven) ever gone through the experience with your wife or daughter when they have lost their hair due to medical conditions/treatments. For example, chemo treatments for cancer. I don't want any responses regarding some Godly saint in your church or someone that is an acquaintance or friend and you watched them deal with this circumstance with grace and longsuffering and THEY never touched their hair with scissors. If it came out on its own, it came out, but THEY would NEVER do such a thing! I want responses regarding only your wives or daughters who have had LONG hair (I mean waist length or longer).

Have you sat on the floor with them as they were sick beyond belief from the chemo - in pain and suffering - for hours on end. Have you watched as they dealt not only with the physical suffering but the "burden" of having their hair string down around their face and into the toilet as they emptied their guts? Yes, it will string down. Someone in this condition doesn't have the energy or inclination to put it up. Pins hurt their head, clips are annoying when you finally get the opportunity to lay your head on a pillow on the bed. Hats and scaves don't always work to keep the hair away from the face and all together. They can also become a nuisance when trying to finally rest. Chemo doesn't always cause a person to lose all the hair and when it does, it doesn't always come out all at the same time. It comes out in clumps and drops everywhere - being messy and hard to deal with.

If you saw your wife or daughter in this condition, would you condemn her to hell, if she choose to cut it shorter so that it wasn't a burden during this time? Yes, I said "burden"; once you have watched someone go through this, you realize that there is no "glory" in it. It is a burden to the person who is ill as well as to the caretaker. There is nothing that hurts the heart more that watching someone you love suffer through this pain and agony and then also suffer the indignity of having their hair an issue because of the length.

Having said all that: I can't believe that God, who made all things so clear in the OT regarding the laws, could leave something so unclear if it is a heaven or hell issue. There is nothing left to interpretation when adultery, gossip, fornication, etc. etc. are listed. Why would He have left so much to interpretation of Greek, culture of the day, etc. etc. There are many things Paul states as sin. Cutting hair is not one of those things. JMHO

When you look back at I Corinthians 7:1, Paul writes, "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me:..."

It is apparent he has received a letter from the Corinthian church of which we have no clear certainty of the contents. We can only know that Paul does address the issues, without us knowing the full extent, in the rest of his letter to the Corinthians.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi

What Edict? Paul is advising women to actually shorn or shave their heads as a better choice to the current ucovered head.

If the woman be not covered, LET: This let in verse 6 is Paul giving a woman permission to cut their hair.

English people use LET + someone + VERB to give someone permission to do something, or allow someone to do something.

http://www.tolearnenglish.com/exerci...lish-28284.php

5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

You really do lack understanding. That is a rhetorical argument telling the women that if they were uncovered it was the same shame as if they had shaved their heads. He wasn't telling them to shave their heads. It was an argument against being uncovered

1Co 11:5 But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is one and the same thing as having a shaved head.
1Co 11:6 For if a woman will not cover her head, she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, she should cover her head.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How could she pray or prophesy, in the church, if she was to keep silent?

The keeping silent was in reference to learning and asking questions from their husbands

1Co 14:34 the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says.
1Co 14:35 If they want to find out about something, they should ask their husbands at home, because it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The keeping silent was in reference to learning and asking questions from their husbands

1Co 14:34 the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says.
1Co 14:35 If they want to find out about something, they should ask their husbands at home, because it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.

But, see.....the scripture clearly states "It is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church!" Doesn't make any stipulations as to WHAT she could say, or WHEN she could speak......just says "SHE CAN'T SPEAK IN CHURCH!"

And, yet.....the proponents of the uncut hair doctrine, who totally add to the definition, by the way, completely ignore this one.

They may not let women preach, but they certainly teach Sunday School, sing in the choir, etc..........