A Lot in Common But Very Different

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Oneness, Trinitarian, Arian or whomever, only one thing redeeems any of them, the blood of the Lamb of God. That redemptive blood isn't withheld from the Oneness, Trinitarian or Arian because of their differing views of Jesus Christ.

Its not just about salvation either. Its about faithfulness to the truth.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Its not just about salvation either. Its about faithfulness to the truth.

Let's start with first things first, redemption.

[Michael The Disciple]

We have no assurance of salvation if we dont believe in the truth.

2:13 But we are bound to always give thanks to God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth; 2 Thess 2:13

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

We have no assurance of salvation if we dont believe in the truth.

2:13 But we are bound to always give thanks to God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth; 2 Thess 2:13

We're assured of redemption if the blood of the Lamb redeems us.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by seekerman

We're assured of redemption if the blood of the Lamb redeems us.

There is a FALSE ASSURANCE. Sure. People will delete the words of Christ and the apostles. Just like you just did. You assure yourself because you believe Yeshua died you will be saved.

You dont like the part Paul said that we are chosen to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.

Nonetheless it is YESHUA who grants salvation. So one is far better off to accept his words in total than men who delight in adding to and taking away from them.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

There is a FALSE ASSURANCE. Sure. People will delete the words of Christ and the apostles. Just like you just did. You assure yourself because you believe Yeshua died you will be saved.

You dont like the part Paul said that we are chosen to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.

Nonetheless it is YESHUA who grants salvation. So one is far better off to accept his words in total than men who delight in adding to and taking away from them.

You don't believe the blood of the Lamb of God is sufficient for redemption?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You don't believe the blood of the Lamb of God is sufficient for redemption?

Yeshua does not promise eternal life ONLY on the basis that he died.

[Amanah]

Yes, it's complicated.

We need to not only believe, but believe the truth.

Even though there are more denominations then days of the year all proclaiming that they have the truth.

And we have a bible from which we are to derive truth, assembled from bits and pieces of parchments, which are debated over concerning their authenticity, possibly containing a few very key sentences which could be misleading.

Also, we have manmade traditions tacked on to the truth which also may or may not take us to hell.

And these truths are proclaimed to us by people from one end of the spectrum to the other: From the holiness or hell, stand on your head and gargle peanut butter if I say so crowd, to the superstar, I've had so many surgeries and have so much fake hair that I look like a much younger caricature of myself while living in opulence crowd.

Now, figure it out and get it 100% right, or you are going to hell, OK?

If you are a legalist you are going to hell because you take away from the blood, if you are a libertine, you are going to hell, because you are not obeying the gospel.

In fact, TV itself may take you to hell, especially if you are amening the wrong crowd.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Yes, it's complicated.

We need to not only believe, but believe the truth.

Even though there are more denominations then days of the year all proclaiming that they have the truth.

And we have a bible from which we are to derive truth, assembled from bits and pieces of parchments, which are debated over concerning their authenticity, possibly containing a few very key sentences which could be misleading.

Also, we have manmade traditions tacked on to the truth which also may or may not take us to hell.

And these truths are proclaimed to us by people from one end of the spectrum to the other: From the holiness or hell, stand on your head and gargle peanut butter if I say so crowd, to the superstar, I've had so many surgeries and have so much fake hair that I look like a much younger caricature of myself while living in opulence crowd.

Now, figure it out and get it 100% right, or you are going to hell, OK?

If you are a legalist you are going to hell because you take away from the blood, if you are a libertine, you are going to hell, because you are not obeying the gospel.

In fact, TV itself may take you to hell, especially if you are amening the wrong crowd.

So many pervert the Gospel. This is why we must work out our own salvation, with fear and trembling. Stay in the Word, and have prayer and fasting.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yeshua does not promise eternal life ONLY on the basis that he died.

I'm asking about your view of the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God. In your opinion, is the blood of the Lamb of God sufficient for redemption? Personally, I believe that it is.

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: