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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
Medication is definately a factor in this equation.
Does anyone remember several years ago, an IBC student here in Indy, took her life, and it was totally out of character for her to do so? She was working with Lilly on an experimental drug at that time- and it caused her mind to start thinking 'whacky'. Two years ago, my doctor put me on that same drug because of the chronic pain that I live with. I was scared of it, but he assured me it was a safe drug. Guess what? Four weeks into my treatment, I started having suicidal thoughts. I am def NOT a suicidal person. I recognized it for what it was and called my doc- who immediately stopped the drug. The withdrawals were a nightmare and took almost 3 months to completely recover from !!!!! HORRID experience.
The mind is FRAGILE. We should handle it with great care.
do you mind sharing what drug that was?
people just have no clue what these drugs are doing...
Several years ago I started taking Strateria (sp) for Adult ADHD. It made me want to fight. I mean serious violent desires. I recognized it pretty quick and stopped but like you it took a few weeks to get back to normal.
Thank God I didnt do something really stupid.
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Maybe a religion that teaches you to listen to voices in your head is a factor sometimes. Just sayin'.
Ya, what if your babysitter informs you that God told him or her to kill his or her son yesterday? Would it matter if this were 1500 BC and babysitter's name was Abraham?
There is one important lesson to be learned in this discussion. It is FAR better to kill 10 (preferably 20) or more then just 1, 2 or 3. After all only CRAZY or possessed people commit the really BAD crimes, and thus need to be "understood" and "helped" whereas the person who kills a couple with get life.
What a tragic story! I think it's safe to say that unless there is SOMETHING, ANYTHING that can be brought up in this man's past, he should be given the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't mean he isn't dangerous. It just means perhaps he isn't responsible.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
Medication is definately a factor in this equation.
Does anyone remember several years ago, an IBC student here in Indy, took her life, and it was totally out of character for her to do so? She was working with Lilly on an experimental drug at that time- and it caused her mind to start thinking 'whacky'. Two years ago, my doctor put me on that same drug because of the chronic pain that I live with. I was scared of it, but he assured me it was a safe drug. Guess what? Four weeks into my treatment, I started having suicidal thoughts. I am def NOT a suicidal person. I recognized it for what it was and called my doc- who immediately stopped the drug. The withdrawals were a nightmare and took almost 3 months to completely recover from !!!!! HORRID experience.
The mind is FRAGILE. We should handle it with great care.
I know that girls pastor and spoke to him about it at the time. He said that she absolutely had no depression or suicidal tendencies before enrolling in that drug study.
From what I understand quite a few IBC students were enrolling in various drug studies there because it paid quite well for the amount of time involved and they used the money to help pay for school. I am sure that incident put a stop to that.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
There is one important lesson to be learned in this discussion. It is FAR better to kill 10 (preferably 20) or more then just 1, 2 or 3. After all only CRAZY or possessed people commit the really BAD crimes, and thus need to be "understood" and "helped" whereas the person who kills a couple with get life.
They should all get life or the death penalty. One reason the insanity defense is rarely used and when used rarely works is that it is not a mater of whether you are crazy or not but a matter of did you know right from wrong when you committed the crime.
I was the jury foreman on a murder trial where we convicted a fifty something year old woman of murder. Her trial did not take place until a couple of years after the murder because she was nuts and they had to get her on the right medication to be sane enough to stand trial. She knew right from wrong all along but no doubt was mentally ill. The scary thing is that she choose to have the judge set the sentence rather than the jury and he gave her 20 years which means she will be getting out in a year or two if she has not already gotten out early for some reason. I have no doubt that she is capable of killing again. Of course now she is about 70 so it might be a little harder.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
My wife's grandfather was always a gentle man until he started to change. He became both violent and took a mistress.
A few years later he was diagnosed with a brain tumor which was successfully removed, and lo and behold, his old personality came back.
Was his actions total free will or mental illness?
I think brain tumors should become one of our first thoughts when we see someone start to act out of character. I had a cousin who started to do whacky things. Fortunately they figured out fairly early it was a brain tumor.
And these medications that are supposed to 'help'...I would LOVE to see some studies or research done on how many tragedies that have occurred by these drug users. I'll bet there's a VERY high correlation.
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I think that we'd be suprised with how many instances are a combination of both mental illness and demonic oppression/possession. In some cases a pre-existing mental illness can leave one more open to demonic enfluence. In other cases demonic enfluence can affect the person in such a way to bring on mental illness.
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