Do OPs have a grace problem?

[Michael The Disciple]

In another context grace can be merited:

1 Peter 5:5

Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Here Peter tells Christians IF THEY WILL HUMBLE THEMSELVES God will give them "grace" or "favor".

By humbling ones self they can merit "grace" with God.

The Greek word "charis" which is translated as grace is the root word for "charisma" as in the "gifts" of the Holy Spirit. So grace is God manifesting himself in FAVOR to his people.

Nowhere does scripture teach that grace means God will overlook the unrepented sins of a Christian.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I can't remember one message on grace taught or preached. You?

What is your definition of grace?

[Whole Hearted]

I preach on grace and the blood often. I also hear it preached often in UPC churches.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I preach on grace and the blood often. I also hear it preached often in UPC churches.

In your sermons, how is grace and the blood related to redemption and salvation?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Thanks, I'll listen to it and report back.

Listened to the first 25 minutes of the sermon and it was really about getting the Holy Ghost and Jesus name baptism, the basis for most oneness pentecostal sermons. I stopped listening when I hadn't heard one mention of the saving grace and blood in almost half an hour of a sermon on salvation.

[Michael The Disciple]

Maybe this is why people claim they dont hear sermons on grace? They wouldn't know one if they heard it?

Anyone want to say what they think "grace" is?

It certainly is an important truth. If you know that you dont know a good place to start learning might be posts 11, 12, 30, 31.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Maybe this is why people claim they dont hear sermons on grace? They wouldn't know one if they heard it?

Anyone want to say what they think "grace" is?

It certainly is an important truth. If you know that you dont know a good place to start learning might be posts 11, 12, 30, 31.

God's unmerited favor.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Maybe this is why people claim they dont hear sermons on grace? They wouldn't know one if they heard it?

Anyone want to say what they think "grace" is?

It certainly is an important truth. If you know that you dont know a good place to start learning might be posts 11, 12, 30, 31.

Seems that some think that grace is 'gettin' the Holy Ghost, having a man intone certain words over you while you're being baptized and living various and sundry standards. Where's the grace? Where's the blood of the Lamb in that teaching?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

God's unmerited favor.

Ok would you like to elaborate? Is the unmerited favor something that carries all the way through your walk? Is it specifically focused on how one gets saved initially?

Can man do things that please God and draw down his favor?

The word "charis" does not mean unmerited favor. It means "favor". To add "unmerited" is a theological concept rather than the meaning of the word.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I can't remember one message on grace taught or preached. You?

Yes. All the time. Third gen Apostolic Pentecostal. Sixty-one years old.

SO, now YOU tell me...

Why do y'all always make an issue out of this?

Just because YOU can't remember one message taught does not mean it is never taught.

Perhaps it is as someone said in another post...

"They wouldn't know one if they heard it?"