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04-02-2013, 01:31 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
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Exactly, Prax! If TS didn't mean it as a universal slam against OPs then he should have written it in a general way.
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Please, no tune change here. I didnt make a general statement that OPs have problem with grace, but asked "Do OPs have a grace probem? It was a inquiry related to my own experience. Some here read what they wanted to read 
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04-02-2013, 01:38 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
Aaaaaaand? The answer is NO!!!
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04-02-2013, 02:55 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
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Aaaaaaand? The answer is NO!!!
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Be nice, don't pick on TS!!
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04-02-2013, 05:34 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
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Be nice, don't pick on TS!!
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That's right!!!!!!!
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04-02-2013, 05:48 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
I think it's strange how Seekerman has vanished from this thread.
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04-02-2013, 07:15 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
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I think it's strange how Seekerman has vanished from this thread.
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Nothing strange about it, I gave my view and that was that. Generally speaking, oneness pentecostal three stepper salvation theology isn't a grace-based theology, it's a works-based theology. For example, three stepper oneness pentecostal salvation theology requires another man, other than Jesus Christ, to perform righteous works on your behalf before one is saved. Unless that man performs the work, no salvation. That's not a grace-based theology.
One stepper oneness pentecostals are much closer to a grace-based theology than three steppers.
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04-02-2013, 09:05 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
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Nothing strange about it, I gave my view and that was that. Generally speaking, oneness pentecostal three stepper salvation theology isn't a grace-based theology, it's a works-based theology. For example, three stepper oneness pentecostal salvation theology requires another man, other than Jesus Christ, to perform righteous works on your behalf before one is saved. Unless that man performs the work, no salvation. That's not a grace-based theology.
One stepper oneness pentecostals are much closer to a grace-based theology than three steppers.
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this is beyond laughable. Also goes to prove my point which I made before. It's not they don't teach "GRACE" but they don't teach YOUR VIEW of "GRACE." Which goes to what is "faith" and how a person defines "works" in relationship to initial salvation and unto discipleship. It is not YOUR "grace based theology." You can whine all you want about not conforming to some false doctrine and misuse of the word grace all you want. Your points are hollow.
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04-02-2013, 09:07 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
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Nothing strange about it, I gave my view and that was that. Generally speaking, oneness pentecostal three stepper salvation theology isn't a grace-based theology, it's a works-based theology. For example, three stepper oneness pentecostal salvation theology requires another man, other than Jesus Christ, to perform righteous works on your behalf before one is saved. Unless that man performs the work, no salvation. That's not a grace-based theology.
One stepper oneness pentecostals are much closer to a grace-based theology than three steppers.
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"He who believes and is baptized shall be saved...."
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Take it up with Jesus. He obviously did not consider it to be " salvation by works" or not " grace based" or he would not have said it. However, you still are guilty of totally misrepresenting the sermon I linked, and that is a fact.
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04-02-2013, 09:15 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
I might argue that all that becomes moot, if one cannot apply Psalms 130 to others. Define 'Grace.' Now find God's def of Grace, which is not yours.
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04-02-2013, 09:24 AM
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Re: Do OPs have a grace problem?
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I can't remember one message on grace taught or preached. You?
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I am late to the party, on this one, but hopefully not late to the fun...
I have heard some messages on Grace that were good. But most of them in the OP church went back to Grace allowing us to partake in Acts 2:38. On another note... It bothers me in a BAD, BAD way when I hear OP's say things like, "I love the message! I love this Apostolic Truth!" as if to say that Acts 2:38 is the message. At best it is our response to the message, but it isn't the message. Okay... off my soap box now.
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