He is Still Oneness Pentecostal In Heart

[bishoph]

IMHO the truth of the matter is that most "Trinitarians" are oneness. In other words, if you ask them how many God's there are they will say ONE. If you ask them how many they will see in heaven, most will say ONE. A few who don't really understand may say three but that is rare among the congregants. Now when it comes to preachers, teachers, and other more learned or indoctrinated leaders is when you really see the three in one defended and promoted.

Again, MHO is that where the Trinitarian doctrine becomes an exceedingly dangerous and damnedable doctrine for the masses is: that while by and large they see/understand only one God, the baptism is tainted with the DNA of false doctrine.

There is only ONE baptism that is right according to scripture. I didn't say it the scriptures declare it. A friend of mine recently published a book entitled "Everybody Can't be Right" and I agree. Is there more of God I need? Absolutely! Is there more that I need to learn of his Word? Absolutely! Have I ever been wrong on something concerning faith and doctrine? Absolutely! Is it possible that I am wrong in declaring that there is only one way to be saved? Absolutely NOT!

What about those over the last 2000 years that did not know/practice what we know/practice? Not my concern! I am only responsible for what I know is truth from the Word of God. I am not the judge of the whole earth, but I am responsible to be obedient to what I know.

And if we want to follow that line of reasoning......God has always made a way for everyone who will to believe/obey him unto salvation. With Noah's generation grace preached righteousness and a warning to the people, they could have gotten on the ark.....when they didn't they were excluded and perished. With the children of Israel who were under the law, grace allowed any "stranger" to convert and serve the one true God......for those that chose not to.....they were excluded and perished. We come to the church age, and God puts forth his redemptive plan and details how we can accept it. Those who do will be saved, all others will be excluded and lost. It's not his will, and it certainly is not mine......Just like Jesus, I wish all would come repentance and know HIM.

But whether a man is saved or lost who died after say 150AD and before 1900AD and did not know/understand/or follow the biblical doctrine of salvation, has no bearing on my obedience or salvation. If God damns all of them to hell because HIS Word was declared and they refused to obey, or whether they never heard the message at all and he sends them to hell it does not negate my responsibility to obey truth. And if God allows all of them into heaven because they did not know and they walked in "all the light they knew" it still does not alter my responsibility to obey HIS Word.

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Well Johnny44 that's just silly. Sounds like he has a healthy prayer life.

You think he used a timer?

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by bishoph

IMHO the truth of the matter is that most "Trinitarians" are oneness. In other words, if you ask them how many God's there are they will say ONE. If you ask them how many they will see in heaven, most will say ONE. A few who don't really understand may say three but that is rare among the congregants. Now when it comes to preachers, teachers, and other more learned or indoctrinated leaders is when you really see the three in one defended and promoted.

Again, MHO is that where the Trinitarian doctrine becomes an exceedingly dangerous and damnedable doctrine for the masses is: that while by and large they see/understand only one God, the baptism is tainted with the DNA of false doctrine.

I understand what you are saying but I will have to disagree with you here. If trinitarians really believed in one God but used different wording for it rather then calling it "oneness" then they would be fine, but they do not believe in one God like we do but they believe in one god in unity.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by johnny44

You think he used a timer?

I hope so cause it wouldn't be fair if the HG got 21min and Jesus got only 19min!

[Jermyn Davidson]

One dividing line is the pre-existence Son.

Ask the average Oneness Pentecostal if there was ever a time that Jesus didn't exist, they'll say yes.

Ask the average Trinitarian Pentecostal if there was ever a time that Jesus didn't exist and they'll say no.

Honestly, I don't believe there was ever a time that Jesus the SON of GOD didn't exist as Jesus the SON of GOD. Still, I consider myself more Oneness than Trinitarian.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Yes he is just like a lizard he changes with his surroundings.

So...to the Trinitarians he becomes trinitarian and to Oneness he becomes oneness?

Sounds familiar

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't think he waffles. He has stated that he is a Trinitarian. That doesn't indicate waffling.

He doesn't pretend to be Oneness. He speaks and conducts himself in a way to facilitate fellowship. How else should he handle himself around his contemporaries, brothers and sisters with whom he doesn't see exactly eye-to-eye doctrinally?

Don't you think that you should watch what you say about preachers of the Gospel of Christ-- the same Gospel that saved you and I? He isn't like a lizard.

Then how is he Oneness at heart?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

One dividing line is the pre-existence Son.

Ask the average Oneness Pentecostal if there was ever a time that Jesus didn't exist, they'll say yes.

Ask the average Trinitarian Pentecostal if there was ever a time that Jesus didn't exist and they'll say no.

Honestly, I don't believe there was ever a time that Jesus the SON of GOD didn't exist as Jesus the SON of GOD. Still, I consider myself more Oneness than Trinitarian.

Oneness teaches Jesus eternally exists

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

I understand what you are saying but I will have to disagree with you here. If trinitarians really believed in one God but used different wording for it rather then calling it "oneness" then they would be fine, but they do not believe in one God like we do but they believe in one god in unity.

Did you know that you're one human being in unity? 1 Thessalonians 5:23

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Farfel

Did you know that you're one human being in unity? 1 Thessalonians 5:23

Not a unity of Persons.

Trinitarians teach God is numeically 1 being that is Tripersonal