Dkb tweets & fb statuses

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't doubt this. For the most part, churches and ministers focus more on the generic "ask the Lord into your heart" prayer, which is ok as a starting point; but they fail to move forward into receiving the power of God in their lives, which is the Holy Ghost. Transformation can only happen when God indwells a person through the HG.

Jim Cymbala and others have lamented the lack of the HG in the church today. Cymbala stated there are two sides on this (paraphrase): one which is deep on Scripture, but is afraid of the experience (HG); and the other which is all about the experience, but shallow on Scripture.

I agree. A lot of churches seem afraid to promote the HG because of the negative stigma others have given it.

Originally Posted by n david

1) were there footnotes with sources for these stats?
2) I do believe there's been a loss of gifts; as to loss of identity...what's the definition of identity being used? The UPC version, or the actual definition?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I can't stand such claims without citation from a source that has done research

It drives me nuts because I have asked for links to the info, study, or even a summary of the studies. Got nothing. I went so far as to comment on one them something along the lines of, "I am 100% sure that these figures aren't accurate."

I almost used a rough quote from Anchorman, "80% of the time DKB is wrong 100% of the time."

I find it amazing that people in the movement continue to get away with actions, fact stating, and flat out lies without any recourse. Now, these stats may all be accurate, but they seem very inaccurate. That is like Stoneking saying that when Pentecostals come to town that the sales on porn in hotels increases...unless he knows because he is the one buying them (TIC) there are no true facts to support the claim.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by n david

Went to DKB's FB page and didn't find any kind of source listed, which is disappointing, considering he's authored books and should know to cite sources.

I know, right!?!?

[MissBrattified]

The problem, as others have pointed out, is that he isn't posting sources to back up any of his assertions. He may very well have sources, but isn't taking the time to provide them.

I don't believe he's deliberately posting false information, though. That would be an unreasonable assumption. On twitter people have to keep their posts concise, so it's hard to get a quote + a citation in a single tweet. A lot of his Facebook posts are reposts from twitter, so they're going to be limited on info.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The problem, as others have pointed out, is that he isn't posting sources to back up any of his assertions. He may very well have sources, but isn't taking the time to provide them.

I don't believe he's deliberately posting false information, though. That would be an unreasonable assumption. On twitter people have to keep their posts concise, so it's hard to get a quote + a citation in a single tweet. A lot of his Facebook posts are reposts from twitter, so they're going to be limited on info.

Perhaps, but a subsequent tweet with the citation would be great, but then again many OPS don't believe in anything being "subsequent to the truth"

[n david]

Went through all his comments about the scholarship on modern Pentecostals and in one he cites his own article in the January 2013 issue of the Pentecostal Herald as the source. I neither have the magazine nor an online subscription to it, but I'm sure he has footnotes in that article as to the real source of the statistics given.

Again, I don't disbelieve the quote mentioned at the beginning of the thread. There is a lack of gifts, a lack of true transformation, and a lack of Pentecostal identity...and I don't mean the UPC outward, extra-biblical standards identity.

[returnman]

Originally Posted by Jack Shephard

It drives me nuts because I have asked for links to the info, study, or even a summary of the studies. Got nothing. I went so far as to comment on one them something along the lines of, "I am 100% sure that these figures aren't accurate."

I almost used a rough quote from Anchorman, "80% of the time DKB is wrong 100% of the time."

I find it amazing that people in the movement continue to get away with actions, fact stating, and flat out lies without any recourse. Now, these stats may all be accurate, but they seem very inaccurate. That is like Stoneking saying that when Pentecostals come to town that the sales on porn in hotels increases...unless he knows because he is the one buying them (TIC) there are no true facts to support the claim.

Heard Stoneking say that about porn in reference to Charasmatics. Has he really been heard saying "pentecostals"?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by n david

Went through all his comments about the scholarship on modern Pentecostals and in one he cites his own article in the January 2013 issue of the Pentecostal Herald as the source. I neither have the magazine nor an online subscription to it, but I'm sure he has footnotes in that article as to the real source of the statistics given.

Again, I don't disbelieve the quote mentioned at the beginning of the thread. There is a lack of gifts, a lack of true transformation, and a lack of Pentecostal identity...and I don't mean the UPC outward, extra-biblical standards identity.

It strikes me as being a bit off is that 70% feel the gifts are lacking, but only 60% feel there is a loss of in the Pentecostal Identity area. I would think that would be the other way around... I would think that more would feel the indentity is different than the lack of gifts. I could be wrong...

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by n david

Went through all his comments about the scholarship on modern Pentecostals and in one he cites his own article in the January 2013 issue of the Pentecostal Herald as the source. I neither have the magazine nor an online subscription to it, but I'm sure he has footnotes in that article as to the real source of the statistics given.

Again, I don't disbelieve the quote mentioned at the beginning of the thread. There is a lack of gifts, a lack of true transformation, and a lack of Pentecostal identity...and I don't mean the UPC outward, extra-biblical standards identity.

I would like to read this article.

[returnman]

These "so called moves of the spirit" or folks receiving the HG among oneness ranks....my last several years of witnessing this around oneness circles was often a shallow event. There was a lot over zealousness at times. Not to be confused with the real thing.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by returnman

Heard Stoneking say that about porn in reference to Charasmatics. Has he really been heard saying "pentecostals"?

I would say that charasmatics are pentecostals so... I wouldn't know if he feels the same, but when I heard it I understood it to be pentecostals in general. Regardless, he is a nut as far as I am concerned and cannot be trust with stats of any sort - that is my opinion. I appreciate that his ministry touches people's lives, but not mine.

This isn't about Stoneking, but just the misuse of misinformation. I don't know that DKB would blantantly lie. In fact, I hope he isn't. I would just like to see the proof. This is a reason I don't watch ANY of the political shows because they rarely show proof of any sort aside from biased info. Fox shows info obtained from conservatives almost exclusively and while others use biased opinions too.