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Originally Posted by n david
I don't doubt this. For the most part, churches and ministers focus more on the generic "ask the Lord into your heart" prayer, which is ok as a starting point; but they fail to move forward into receiving the power of God in their lives, which is the Holy Ghost. Transformation can only happen when God indwells a person through the HG.
Jim Cymbala and others have lamented the lack of the HG in the church today. Cymbala stated there are two sides on this (paraphrase): one which is deep on Scripture, but is afraid of the experience (HG); and the other which is all about the experience, but shallow on Scripture.
I agree. A lot of churches seem afraid to promote the HG because of the negative stigma others have given it.
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Originally Posted by n david
1) were there footnotes with sources for these stats?
2) I do believe there's been a loss of gifts; as to loss of identity...what's the definition of identity being used? The UPC version, or the actual definition?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I can't stand such claims without citation from a source that has done research
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It drives me nuts because I have asked for links to the info, study, or even a summary of the studies. Got nothing. I went so far as to comment on one them something along the lines of, "I am 100% sure that these figures aren't accurate."
I almost used a rough quote from Anchorman, "80% of the time DKB is wrong 100% of the time."
I find it amazing that people in the movement continue to get away with actions, fact stating, and flat out lies without any recourse. Now, these stats may all be accurate, but they seem very inaccurate. That is like Stoneking saying that when Pentecostals come to town that the sales on porn in hotels increases...unless he knows because he is the one buying them (TIC) there are no true facts to support the claim.
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