When You Die...

[bbyrd009]

a big amen.

[Dordrecht]

a big amen.

Lol, that's cute.

[Michael The Disciple]

At this point I don't think I believe that 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord' because if it were there would be no need for the trumpet that will cause 'the dead in Christ to rise and meet him in the air' unless God is going to pluck us out of heaven and stuff us back in the grave.

Right on.

So I like hearing what others believe but I don't like people saying that a different opinion is the 'doctrine of devils' or any of that... Honestly, it's pretty easy to extrapolate either message out of what is available in scripture so I think charity should rule in this topic.

Charity should always rule. However there is such a thing as doctrines of devils and there is such a thing as actually understanding the truth of a matter. Yeshua was very strong about what he wanted men to believe but he was always operating out of love.

When Jude spoke of "contending for the faith" he was not promoting strife. Yet the Spirit knew the huge confusion that can be caused by the teaching of error.

Have I ever been in error? Yes everything I started out believing in 1974 has turned out to have error except just the simple fact Yeshua is the Son of God and we can be saved. I have had to relearn and change it all.

Better to do that tho than to reject light when it is shone!

I have found it true that some people need to be told a little stronger than others. One might accept a truth easily when shown gently. Others may need sharp rebuke to be sound in the faith. Its ok if it brings forth truth and leads to charity in the end.

[Michael The Disciple]

This is SO important to consider!

In 1 Corinthians chapter 15 there are 58 verses and its ALL about life after death. In all 58 verses we can see the theme is the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.

In the ENTIRE CHAPTER.......there is not one single mention of being instantly in Heaven upon death!

How devastating to the immortal soul doctrine! Read it again in that light.

Remember the resurrection is a FOUNDATION DOCTRINE of Christ. The immortal soul doctrine if it were true would be more important and powerful than resurrection. Yet it is nowhere among the foundation doctrines of Heb. 6

It is NOWHERE to be found in the whole of 1 Cor. 15 among all 58 verses teaching about life after death!

It is like the Trinity, or like pre trib rapture. It is arrived at by putting verses together that do not fit on the foundation.

There are actually a lot more scriptures that teach the resurrection than instant Heaven. But when you are "stuck" in an idea sometimes you don't notice that.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Well, it's not what Jesus said.
A born again Christian KNOWS where he goes when he dies.

Jesus said many believers would be surprised to find out where they're going.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Jesus said many believers would be surprised to find out where they're going.

Ahem... Yes, in fact He did.

[imreedemed]

The guys on here talking about a soul coma have their theology twisted. When Jesus died on friday, was the world without God for 3 days? Wasn't His spirit ministering in Hell according to Peter? And the Abraham/ Lazarus parable? Don't we gain eternal life, pass from death unto life on accepting Christ? And the thief on the cross? And what about the souls of the dead saints in revelations 6: 9-10. Y'all can believe whatever you want but im pretty sure to meet with my Lord after my days here on earth are over!

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Jesus said many believers would be surprised to find out where they're going.

No, that's not what he said at all.
You have heard something and you are
repeating it without checking scripture.

This is what He said:

"Many Will Seek to Enter Heaven, But Few Will Enter"

(Notice he's talking "Heaven" here.)

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by imreedemed

The guys on here talking about a soul coma have their theology twisted. When Jesus died on friday, was the world without God for 3 days? Wasn't His spirit ministering in Hell according to Peter? And the Abraham/ Lazarus parable? Don't we gain eternal life, pass from death unto life on accepting Christ? And the thief on the cross? And what about the souls of the dead saints in revelations 6: 9-10. Y'all can believe whatever you want but im pretty sure to meet with my Lord after my days here on earth are over!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

No, that's not what he said at all.
You have heard something and you are
repeating it without checking scripture.

This is what He said:

"Many Will Seek to Enter Heaven, But Few Will Enter"

(Notice he's talking "Heaven" here.)

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.