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Old 06-13-2013, 09:33 AM
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Re: What did Jesus Come to Save us From?

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Well, if you don't HAVE to be a Christian then the whole Gospel was unnecessary. You can't have it both ways. You can't say, yes Jesus' death, burial and resurrection was necessary for the salvation of the world; then say, well, you don't HAVE to be saved. I mean, you can, but it's contradictory.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:34 AM
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Re: What did Jesus Come to Save us From?

You don't have to be a "Christian;" and the whole Gospel was necessary...just another Scriptural conundrum.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:29 PM
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Re: What did Jesus Come to Save us From?

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I miss SheltieDad (Brad) at times like these because he was always so good at pointing out the fallacy of this argument.

How is being born on this earth, in a human body, and being subject to it's laws and limitations a crime? And why should we be tortured for all humanity for something we can't control?
You've broken the 10 laws that he wrote. You're guilty of that. Is there one of the laws that you haven't broken? Even if there was you've broken one at least once.

How are you being punished for all humanity? You broke the law of God and will be punished for your crimes. Jesus came to take your punishment because God loves you, but He is also a just God and justice must be given. That justice was the wrath of God poured out on Christ instead of you if you will repent. It's not WWJD, but WDJD (what did Jesus do.) He told you to repent and be born again.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:42 PM
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Re: What did Jesus Come to Save us From?

It is real simple: thru Adam all mankind became sick, thru Jesus Christ all mankind is and will be made well.
Otherwise, you believe the power of sin, Adams failure (the sickness) is more powerful than Jesus' obedience (the medicine).

Romans 5
:15 But the gracious gift is not like the transgression.19 For if the many died through the transgression of the one man,20 how much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one man Jesus Christ multiply to the many!

The VERY same "many" in both cases!!
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