UPCI to remove televsion prohibition...

[Sasha]

Someday we will laugh about there being a ban on TV at one time...similar to the ban there used to be on radio.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Because...
Because the primary concept of a religious organization is that it is organized around a set of beliefs.



By similar token, no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to remain within an organization they fundamentally disagree with.



Yes, this issue is obviously no longer fundamental enough to warrant all the fuss. Some ships are able to turn quickly, some can only turn slowly, yet others can even tack upwind. And some begin a turn, lose part of the starboard bow (right side) from battery explosion, limp to harbor, attempt repairs, and return a bit more fleet-footed.

Sometimes the primary reason to organize is not necessarily to have ALL doctrinal agreement but main doctrinal agreements, however the reason to organize isn't so we can all agree on doctrine but so we can better organize spreading that doctrine

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

This is not really good, although I do not believe in their silly rule of not TV, it is not going to be good for the saints in general.

my reasoning is this,
When a person is deprived of something, they do not know what they are missing, once the TV restriction is lifted, some saints who have been deprived of TV will go on binging on the new experience, they will not know how to regulate themselves for they have been treated like children, not as adults capable of making their own decisions.
Imagine a starving person, who suddenly is confronted with a banquet, do you think that person will have any restrain?

I really pity the poor saints who have never been thought the ability to control what they do.

I have a TV and when I watch it, it is mostly religious programs, history channel, discovery channel and other educational stuff, seldom do I watch any of the garbage from Hollywood for I recognized it for what it is, I know good food from bad food, I know good shows from bad shows. The poor upci saints do not know the difference between a show that is acceptable and one full of filth.

This isn't "for the saints"...it's a licensing issue.

There are already a huge number of "saints" that already have TVs or watch movies via netflix and or go to the movies anyways and those that don't but will if this is passed must not have believed it was necessary to begin with

[webe123]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Because...
Because the primary concept of a religious organization is that it is organized around a set of beliefs.

No you are wrong. The PRIMARY concept for the oprganization (Any religious organization) is evangilisim! It allows churches to come together to evagelize and the cost is not as much as it would be for a single church.

Originally Posted by MarcBee

By similar token, no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to remain within an organization they fundamentally disagree with.

To follow the rules as they are laid out, you HAVE to agree to the rules of the organization if you are a minister and want to join. They prohibit a minister from owning a television...which is stupid. Most own one already. And let's turn that around on you...no one is forcing the people that do not agree with owning TV's to stay in the organization either! I hope they leave and the majority can make other rules and get rid of these idiotic rules.

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Yes, this issue is obviously no longer fundamental enough to warrant all the fuss. Some ships are able to turn quickly, some can only turn slowly, yet others can even tack upwind. And some begin a turn, lose part of the starboard bow (right side) from battery explosion, limp to harbor, attempt repairs, and return a bit more fleet-footed.

Don't know what you are posting about there, but yes, it takes time (if that is what you are referring to) to make changes in an organization...but to me...these changes are long overdue.

[sis stone]

we were UPCI for 25 yrs. we got so sick of the politics and puffed up attitude of so many sad to say including Pastors. We still have many friends in the UPCI but we choose to just stay Apostolic , we have found so many humble loving Pastors and families and their church members. My husband Rev. James Stone Sr. has recently started the Apostolic Oasis Ministries International. It is time for the true Apostolics to take a true stand on holiness and modesty and true conviction given by God. We must not compromise to the world around us but rather stand in Righteousness to a lost world. So many in the UPCI are giving in to worldly ways. Let Us Stand , Let Us Keep this Old Time Religion !!

[Charnock]

The wording of the resolution is humorous.

1. The elders were right to stand against TV.
2. TV content is delivered through other means that we all access.
3. Most of our preachers are liars, currently, and have TVs as well as other delivery modules.
4. Therefore, even though the elders were right we really, really, really want to watch all of the things we rail against from our pulpits.
5. Change the freakin' rules already. We want some TV!

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Charnock

The wording of the resolution is humorous.

1. The elders were right to stand against TV.
2. TV content is delivered through other means that we all access.
3. Most of our preachers are liars, currently, and have TVs as well as other delivery modules.
4. Therefore, even though the elders were right we really, really, really want to watch all of the things we rail against from our pulpits.
5. Change the freakin' rules already. We want some TV!

1. The elders were wrong, they should have stood up against immorality and perversion in any form, whether it was on TV, Radio, Magazines or whatever other means of communication, by fighting against immorality in any form they would not be in the pickle they are currently in.

3. I do not think most preachers are liars, some of them actually did keep the rules. however others were smarter and found ways to bypass the rules using a technicality. finding a loophole does not make a person a liar.

4. Why do people want to watch filth? not only that but what about the Radio, there is filth also on the Radio, It TV was banned why did Radio and the Magazines got a free pass?

5. Actually not all the preachers and people want TV.

[Hoovie]

Well, there is nothing hardcore UPC about me, but in defense of many good preachers I know... I don't know of any one preacher who has TV programming in their home. (I'm talking traditional TV) not Internet etc.

Our church of 400 probably 50% do have TV. Me? No real interest in it. I would much prefer a good computer connection for ALL reasons.

[Hoovie]

My one concern is that the statement is a wee bit to restrictive for someone who does choose to watch a show like Andy Griffith reruns... I guess our definition of "educational" just needs to be stretched a bit!?!

[houston]

And this is "progress?"