Deut 14
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Not just wine only, but strong drink too...
Luke, what's your explanation of Deut 14:26...Not just wine only, but strong drink too...
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Ya, that argument is nearly as classic is the explanation that the reason Roman soldiers were able to pluck out whiskers from Jesus is that he hadn't been able to shave for a few days.
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I think my thread has gotten off course! This is not a thread about the biblical stance of drinking wine. If it was it would be very short because clearly the bible does not have a prohibition against it (despite some reinventing wine as medicine).
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Luke, what's your explanation of Deut 14:26...Not just wine only, but strong drink too...
To be honest i will have to admit that i have never noticed that verse before though i am sure that i have read it. That being said i also cannot take one obscure scripture and by it discount and passover all other sriptures that deal with the same topic. As i can find and reference multiple passages that condemn both wine and strong drink for nazerites, priest ( when in the service and prescence of the Lord) kings, and even just the common man it would be faulty hermenutics to take the one (out of 20 that i found) obscure passage that deals with strong drink in a seemingly ok way and by it nullify all of the warnings and woes against it.
To be honest i will have to admit that i have never noticed that verse before though i am sure that i have read it. That being said i also cannot take one obscure scripture and by it discount and passover all other sriptures that deal with the same topic. As i can find and reference multiple passages that condemn both wine and strong drink for nazerites, priest ( when in the service and prescence of the Lord) kings, and even just the common man it would be faulty hermenutics to take the one (out of 20 that i found) obscure passage that deals with strong drink in a seemingly ok way and by it nullify all of the warnings and woes against it.
First off, every verse you have posted in this thread has had to do with drunkeness.
Isaiah 5:11
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness
Proverbs 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
(Reading the rest of that scripture in Prov 23 actually describes a drunken fellow)
Yes, nazarites and priest when in service were not allowed to drink, BUT, the common Israelite was no where forbidden
That one verse in Deut 14:26 (if you believe in bible inerrancy) should be enough to show that wine and STRONG DRINK (my emphasis on strong drink..lol) are ok. But you shouldn't go against your conviction
Also, in Eph 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit" shows Christians should not have excess wine. Now, how can Paul be warning against excess wine if the Ephesians were not to even drink wine at all?
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The issue is that you look at the verse as it appear above. You pretty much stop reading once you come to the end of the bolded.
However, it is meant to be looked at THIS way (below).
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
It is called 'context' and divining the intended meaning of the verse.
I agree context is king and looking at scripture as a whole is important. I am glad that you pointed out what i had inadvertantly looked oved namely that both this scripture condemns both the offering of intoxicating beverages to a person and the making of a person drunk so as to look upon their nakedness.
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