Come Out Of Her My People

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

After reading this I understand why Paul said "I suffer not a woman to teach."

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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I can handle them teaching. . . . It is the whole voting thing that concerns me.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

After reading this I understand why Paul said "I suffer not a woman to teach."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by renee819

So this is your suggestion. That I was out of order for inquiring what their standards are? And are you insinuating, that I was there to cause a split?
I was hoping to gain information as to what they believe? What Organization if any that they belong. And I was being transparent, maybe they won't want me there. I could feel the coolness last Sunday, I probably won't go back.

Sister, did you walk up to the minister and TELL him that YOU weren't into MAN MADE RULES IN THE CHURCH?

When did you feel the coolness? Was it before or after you TOLD Pastor John Q Foofoofnick how the cow ate the cabbage?

Being transparent?

You felt by the 3rd Sunday it was time to be transparent and candid?

To TELL the preacher that he is nothing but a Pagan advocating false prophet? I know it didn't sound like that to you, but maybe, just maybe, it sounded like that to him? You believe 3 Sundays are adequate enough time to reveal your hidden manna? Do you really feel that this guy was going to fall down on his face worshiping God, and report that God is in you of a truth?

You made the comment that some pastors are dictators, so what does that mean? Are you saying that because some people abused their authority that makes their position null and void?

Another thing because the platform (pulpit) is used for entertainment by "some" that means it is wrong for all?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by n david

This whole thing is kind of left field to me. The thought that we should abandon buildings and such because of the connection to the RCC is absurd. The RCC practices prayer and communion, so I suppose we should shun that as well.

Ditto me. I am amazed at the connections / conclusions / weird logic some of the fringe elements in Pentecost (and really anything I guess) come up with.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by renee819
So this is your suggestion. That I was out of order for inquiring what their standards are? And are you insinuating, that I was there to cause a split?
I was hoping to gain information as to what they believe? What Organization if any that they belong. And I was being transparent, maybe they won't want me there. I could feel the coolness last Sunday, I probably won't go back.

Evang Ben wrote

Sister, did you walk up to the minister and TELL him that YOU weren't into MAN MADE RULES IN THE CHURCH?

When did you feel the coolness? Was it before or after you TOLD Pastor John Q Foofoofnick how the cow ate the cabbage?

Being transparent?

You felt by the 3rd Sunday it was time to be transparent and candid?

To TELL the preacher that he is nothing but a Pagan advocating false prophet? I know it didn't sound like that to you, but maybe, just maybe, it sounded like that to him? You believe 3 Sundays are adequate enough time to reveal your hidden manna? Do you really feel that this guy was going to fall down on his face worshiping God, and report that God is in you of a truth?

You made the comment that some pastors are dictators, so what does that mean? Are you saying that because some people abused their authority that makes their position null and void?

Another thing because the platform (pulpit) is used for entertainment by "some" that means it is wrong for all?

I shouldn't answer this ridicule, but I will. Do you want to know the whole conversation?

What did I hope to gain? A church home where I could worship and feel the presence of God. Not where they felt so liberated, that anything goes. . I could see that they weren't.
Or so bound by man made rules that “you do what I say, or you're a second class Christian.”

As we were going out the door, on my second visit, I asked, what did they believe?
He answered, “Oh, we are oneness.”
I knew that. But I wanted to know their standards. So, I said, 'I don't believe in a lot of man made laws.”
He said, nothing.
Therefore I assumed that he did believe in the man-made laws, whether he knew they were man-made or not. So in being transparent, I said, “For instance, I don't believe it is wrong for women to wear pant suits.
He just repeated what I said, made no comment and went out the door.

Last Sunday, I wasn't as welcome. He touched on holiness, saying that we shouldn't look like the world. (I agree with that when I look around and see how the world dresses) and then said, “What you in the pew does is between you and God but who gets on this pulpit is between me and God.” Making a difference between the saints and the pulpit.

I believe I was innocent of any wrong doing, but you make it seem like a crime.
I was trying to find what their standards were, to see if I wanted to go there, and take my grt. grandchildren there. And also, if they knew what I believe, they might not want me to come there.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

As we were going out the door, on my second visit, I asked, what did they believe?
He answered, “Oh, we are oneness.”
I knew that. But I wanted to know their standards. So, I said, 'I don't believe in a lot of man made laws.”
He said, nothing.
Therefore I assumed that he did believe in the man-made laws, whether he knew they were man-made or not. So in being transparent, I said, “For instance, I don't believe it is wrong for women to wear pant suits.
He just repeated what I said, made no comment and went out the door.

You said earlier that you told him that you, him and his wife needed to sit down to talk, but he didn't have time. Honestly, I don't blame him. If someone walked up to me and said, "I don't believe in man-made laws; I think it's okay for women to wear pant suits," that comes across as confrontational, and I would likely pass on discussing anything further.

Now, were someone to come up and say, what are your beliefs on holiness or outward dress -- that's completely different, because it's not confrontational.

Originally Posted by renee819

Last Sunday, I wasn't as welcome. He touched on holiness, saying that we shouldn't look like the world. (I agree with that when I look around and see how the world dresses) and then said, “What you [do] in the pew is between you and God but who gets on this pulpit is between me and God.” Making a difference between the saints and the pulpit.

I see nothing wrong with his statement. It's quite true actually. What people do is between them and God; who is allowed to preach or speak is between the Pastor and God. Like it or not, personal prejudices aside, the Pastor is the one responsible for the church and who ministers. If there are any legal issues, who do you think gets contacted - Joe Schmo in the third row? No, it's the Pastor. If a person preaches at a church and later is found to be a fraud -- who's the one who gets questioned and criticized? The Pastor. So the statement, regardless of if you like it or not, is absolutely correct.

Originally Posted by renee819

I believe I was innocent of any wrong doing, but you make it seem like a crime. I was trying to find what their standards were, to see if I wanted to go there, and take my grt. grandchildren there. And also, if they knew what I believe, they might not want me to come there.

No one is saying it's a crime. I said it was an odd way to get information. Based on your account above, I still believe it was an odd way to ask for information. I guarantee, had you been less confrontational at the beginning and asked what they believed, he probably would have told you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by renee819

Originally Posted by renee819
So this is your suggestion. That I was out of order for inquiring what their standards are? And are you insinuating, that I was there to cause a split?
I was hoping to gain information as to what they believe? What Organization if any that they belong. And I was being transparent, maybe they won't want me there. I could feel the coolness last Sunday, I probably won't go back.

Sister how long you been in and around Pentecost?

"Oneness?"

I look at it this way, if you wanted to know, you wouldn't ask on the fly, you would of made the arrangements to sit down and have a pow wow with the preacher. You would of found out more than just what organization they were involved with, but he might of dealt with your entire list. Still, most ministers don't want to get into a hair pulling contest with people who showed up three times, and who just inform them that THEY are not into a LOT (which logically mean they're into some) of man made rules. I can't fault the brother, one, I wasn't there, two, I can be sensitive to his position, since he probably didn't know what you would of done if he went into a discussion right there in the building.

You do have a right to ask questions, and the minister is there to answer your questions. But, on these forums we always read about Big Bad Church, The Big Bad Dictator Standard Pastor, but what about the individuals who come to just ask questions (not to get answers) but to just drain the guy in the suit?

Not asking him at lunch, not on a one to one with him and his family, but right in the middle of a winding down service, where not only YOU 3rd time visitor wants his attention, but other people want to talk with him over all sorts of issues.

Originally Posted by renee819

I shouldn't answer this ridicule, but I will. Do you want to know the whole conversation?

Sister, I can't know the "whole" conversation, that would take the brother who you questioned, and at least three other bystanders to be posters here.
Telling their sides of what happened according to their perception. Yet, I would love to hear your SIDE of the story. Still, (and I'm not saying you do this) but these forums end up being a place to shred Apostolic churches, preachers, and the teaching of a movement. So, please forgive me if your post (in my assessment) just seems to be another rant about the Big Bad Pentecostal Preacher blowing off the sincere 3rd time visitor.

Originally Posted by renee819

What did I hope to gain? A church home where I could worship and feel the presence of God. Not where they felt so liberated, that anything goes. . I could see that they weren't.

Come on!

Sister?

Sister, you don't believe in tithing, correct?

So, before you set a foot in that building you thought that church didn't believe in tithing also?

Can I ask you a question?

What made you go to that church in the first place? What I'm trying to ask is how did you choose that church? How much did you know about the church before you set a foot in the door? If you are looking for a church family, wouldn't it be more logical to inquire if there is a group in your area which believe everything on your list? I mean if I was looking for a church family, I wouldn't be looking for churches close to my house, but those who believed what I believed. To worship and feel the presence of God is up to YOU, not up to them. Sister it really sounds like you need to find a group who meets all the points on your list.

Originally Posted by renee819

Or so bound by man made rules that “you do what I say, or you're a second class Christian.”

Sister, that happens in any group, whether it's the homeowners association, or a Boy Scout troop. It isn't just about man made rules, it is about how some people run the show. Yet, like I said before, you need to go find something that fills YOUR requirements. Why walk into a building (when you already know what is going on) and make the preacher do a little dance, when you know he will not meet your needs. That would be like walking into a Eastern Orthodox Church and telling priest that you aren't into a lot of man made rules. I'm just stating the obvious.

Originally Posted by renee819

As we were going out the door, on my second visit, I asked, what did they believe?
He answered, “Oh, we are oneness.”
I knew that. But I wanted to know their standards. So, I said, 'I don't believe in a lot of man made laws.”
He said, nothing.
Therefore I assumed that he did believe in the man-made laws, whether he knew they were man-made or not. So in being transparent, I said, “For instance, I don't believe it is wrong for women to wear pant suits.
He just repeated what I said, made no comment and went out the door.

Did this Sunday service just consist of you, your grandchildren, the pastor, and his family? Because if this brother had more than the above mentioned, then he couldn't just deal with you at that moment. You all are funneling out the door. Like I said, I don't know the whole deal.

Originally Posted by renee819

Last Sunday, I wasn't as welcome. He touched on holiness, saying that we shouldn't look like the world. (I agree with that when I look around and see how the world dresses) and then said, “What you in the pew does is between you and God but who gets on this pulpit is between me and God.” Making a difference between the saints and the pulpit.

I couldn't answer this quote any better than "n david" answered.
So, I'll leave you with his words.

Originally Posted by n david

I see nothing wrong with his statement. It's quite true actually. What people do is between them and God; who is allowed to preach or speak is between the Pastor and God. Like it or not, personal prejudices aside, the Pastor is the one responsible for the church and who ministers. If there are any legal issues, who do you think gets contacted - Joe Schmo in the third row? No, it's the Pastor. If a person preaches at a church and later is found to be a fraud -- who's the one who gets questioned and criticized? The Pastor. So the statement, regardless of if you like it or not, is absolutely correct.

Originally Posted by renee819

I believe I was innocent of any wrong doing, but you make it seem like a crime.

Well, not everything is always what it seems. Yet, in my opinion you went about it the wrong way. So, maybe next time you might do things differently. Yet I strongly suggest that you take the time to find people who believe what you believe, and worship with them.

Originally Posted by renee819

I was trying to find what their standards were, to see if I wanted to go there, and take my grt. grandchildren there. And also, if they knew what I believe, they might not want me to come there.

Sister, the bottom line (which I placed in bold) says that you already knew in advance you believe something different from them. So why believe that you would be in harmony in a place you already knew you would have opposition?

The Lord Jesus Christ guide you in your search

[Amanah]

With all due respect to all who have posted prior to me, I would like to give my opinion on the topic.

To me, there is nothing more precious than the revelation of the Oneness of God, the truth of Jesus name baptism, and being in a fellowship where people are receiving the Holy Ghost.

If I had to chose between A & B:

A) A place where there is a greater depth of anointing and understanding that accompanies the people of the name, people who pray, fast, and live separate from the world

-or-

B) A place where there is more personal freedom in dress, standards, ect, but the anointing and power of the Holy Ghost is hindered because of a lack of revelation, prayer/fasting, and consecration, resulting in people not receiving the Holy Ghost

I'd take choice A any day, because there is a lost world and unless I'm connected to the body, doing my part to seek and save those precious souls who Jesus died for, my life is making so much less impact then a person filled with the HG is purposed to make.

It is so not about me

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by renee819

Originally Posted by renee819
So this is your suggestion. That I was out of order for inquiring what their standards are? And are you insinuating, that I was there to cause a split?
I was hoping to gain information as to what they believe? What Organization if any that they belong. And I was being transparent, maybe they won't want me there. I could feel the coolness last Sunday, I probably won't go back.

Evang Ben wrote


I shouldn't answer this ridicule, but I will. Do you want to know the whole conversation?

What did I hope to gain? A church home where I could worship and feel the presence of God. Not where they felt so liberated, that anything goes. . I could see that they weren't.
Or so bound by man made rules that “you do what I say, or you're a second class Christian.”

As we were going out the door, on my second visit, I asked, what did they believe?
He answered, “Oh, we are oneness.”
I knew that. But I wanted to know their standards. So, I said, 'I don't believe in a lot of man made laws.”
He said, nothing.
Therefore I assumed that he did believe in the man-made laws, whether he knew they were man-made or not. So in being transparent, I said, “For instance, I don't believe it is wrong for women to wear pant suits.
He just repeated what I said, made no comment and went out the door.

Last Sunday, I wasn't as welcome. He touched on holiness, saying that we shouldn't look like the world. (I agree with that when I look around and see how the world dresses) and then said, “What you in the pew does is between you and God but who gets on this pulpit is between me and God.” Making a difference between the saints and the pulpit.

I believe I was innocent of any wrong doing, but you make it seem like a crime.
I was trying to find what their standards were, to see if I wanted to go there, and take my grt. grandchildren there. And also, if they knew what I believe, they might not want me to come there.

Nothing at all wrong with wanting to know where they stand.