Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN! - Page 7

Jermyn Davidson · #61 09-15-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Great illustration about the 12 gauge and barn. I agree with much of what he's said thus far; not sure if this was the forum for it though.

I didn't like his "wheat and tares" analogy.

Jermyn Davidson · #62 09-15-2013, 07:57 PM

Still, I'd like to post this sermon on my facebook page too.

Jason B · #63 09-15-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Great illustration about the 12 gauge and barn. I agree with much of what he's said thus far; not sure if this was the forum for it though.

If not a ministers forum in the midst of a org wide division then when? Seems like it is never the "forum" for this kind of thing. The attitude is seems like "just sweep it under the rug". It seems Paul wasn't the kind to just let an underlying problem fester. When Peter was out of line he called him on it publicly and to his face, and right in front of Gentile converts.
What Yadon did took an unbelievable amount of love and courage. He essentially tried to save the fellowship and no doubt knew if his plea failed he would be the one to take the fall.

Jermyn Davidson · #64 09-15-2013, 08:25 PM

I agree with nDavid, but I don't know what else could have been done. I am sure he sought God before preaching this sermon, I wish this split never occurred but it did-- about 20 years ago.

Seems like it could have been avoided, but I wasn't there.

houston · #65 09-15-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Still, I'd like to post this sermon on my facebook page too.

You have a Facebook page now?

n david · #66 09-15-2013, 08:46 PM

You think Landmark Conference, which is for everyone, is the place to air personal grievances against the organization? What good is speaking out at Landmark, other than being known as the one who called out his organization and gave a controversial message?

The better forum is during the business meeting at General Conference. If you truly want to do more than just be a martyr, and if you truly want to orchestrate a change...that is the place to do it. Obviously, it would have to be narrowed down and shortened in length. But that's where it should be done.

His reference to Olive Haney was tacky, as was his question of whether or not Goss would be allowed behind a UPC pulpit.

I do agree with his premise, and his statements of how the UPC was formed, I just don't agree with the forum and a couple parts where he seems to just take shots at the org.

Jermyn Davidson · #67 09-15-2013, 09:05 PM

His use of the "wheat and tares" analogy was off - putting.

His idea that allowing "heretics" was in the best interest of fellowship was one of the few parts I had to disagree with and thought it did not add any thing to the idea of preserving the unity of the original merger.

I get it that he was trying to stop the bleeding, but it obviously didn't work. I wonder if he could do a couple things over again, what would they be?