Come Out Of Her My People

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by renee819

I did not start this Thread to attack anyone personally. I feel like that I was the one being attacked. I guess this subject can't be discussed on this Forum

We ARE discussing IT.

I know that most Pentecostals and Apostolics have the right foundation, as long as they stick to the Apostles Doctrine in the book of Acts. However, I can see that we are being destroyed, by a system, foreign to Acts. And yes, I attacked the system. But the greater message of my Post was ignored.

I ignored it because I found this one particular issue in error

The reason that I said that we might have to start home churches, is that any dedicated saint that has done their homework can see some of the problems.

So certain people do not have the right foundation and or are not dedicated saints?

I've done MY homework and I can see, because I have, that you have a lot of views you can't really substantiate despite claiming to have done your homework.

And then, can that member go to their Pastor and say, “Pastor, I see by the Word of God that we need to make some changes.” Do you think for a minute that Pastor will even listen?
They would be received about like my Post was received on here.

There are issues with your post. I don't receive it, NOT because I am not a christian, not because I am a sinner, not because I lack love, not because I am a Pagan, not because I have not done my homework, not because I am not dedicated and not because I don't have the right foundation but because some of the things you said are either NOT TRUE or have not been substantiated as being true.

As long as you passively suggest others here are sinners, pagans, lack love etc etc etc, YOU WILL BE ATTACKED. Sorry but people in glass houses should not throw stones

[gthaywood1880]

Here is just some information I discovered in my studies of how the "church" influenced the KJV translation of the bible we do not need all of these offices to be organized the RCC got it from secular government. http://awildernessvoice.com/GEC.html

[houston]

Many preachers are going to find out just how much Jesus abhors the Nicolaitans.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by gthaywood1880

Here is just some information I discovered in my studies of how the "church" influenced the KJV translation of the bible we do not need all of these offices to be organized the RCC got it from secular government. http://awildernessvoice.com/GEC.html

Every translation has been 'influenced' by the people publishing and promoting or financing the translation.

The KJV 'retained the ecclesiastical terms' like 'baptise', 'bishop', and 'church'. However, comparing Scripture with Scripture one easily comes to an understanding of the biblical meanings of those terms.

[Praxeas]

So how were we supposed to translate those greek terms?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So how were we supposed to translate those greek terms?

Which ones?

'Overseer' instead of 'bishop'?

'Congregation' or 'assembly' instead of 'church'?

'Immerse' instead of 'baptize'?

'Emissary' or 'sent-one' or 'missionary' or ???? instead of 'apostle'?

In any event, I don't see how the KJV's choice of terms is misleading unless one doesn't study the Biblical usage of the terms. (Possible exception would be 'baptizo'/baptize.... I don't know if any passages define the usage of the term to demonstrate immersion as opposed to pouring or sprinkling... So one might need a lexicon or dictionary for that one...)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Which ones?

'Overseer' instead of 'bishop'?

'Congregation' or 'assembly' instead of 'church'?

'Immerse' instead of 'baptize'?

'Emissary' or 'sent-one' or 'missionary' or ???? instead of 'apostle'?

In any event, I don't see how the KJV's choice of terms is misleading unless one doesn't study the Biblical usage of the terms. (Possible exception would be 'baptizo'/baptize.... I don't know if any passages define the usage of the term to demonstrate immersion as opposed to pouring or sprinkling... So one might need a lexicon or dictionary for that one...)

What is the difference between "Overseer" and "Bishop" other than a Star Wars like villian sounding name?

Why Congregation, assembly and not church? Especially when the word refers to the entire world wide body of believers?

Apostle comes from the Greek word Apostello

[Praxeas]

BTW the etymology of the word Church

before 900; Middle English chir ( i ) che, Old English cir ( i ) ce ≪ Greek kȳri ( a ) kón ( dôma ) the Lord's (house), neuter of kȳriakós of the master, equivalent to kȳ́ri ( os ) master ( kŷr ( os ) power + -ios noun suffix) + -akos, variant of -ikos -ic; akin to Dutch kerk, German Kirche, Old Norse kirkja.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What is the difference between "Overseer" and "Bishop" other than a Star Wars like villian sounding name?

Why Congregation, assembly and not church? Especially when the word refers to the entire world wide body of believers?

Apostle comes from the Greek word Apostello

I think you got me confused with the other guy. *I* have no problem with the terms used in the KJV.

The terms being referenced are the ones the King ordered 'retained' as they had 'long ecclesiastical usage'. **Correction: References to Geneva bible edited because me mind's playin tricks on me...

But like I said, those terms can be readily understood by simply paying attention to context. (With the POSSIBLE exception of 'baptizo', there I think you DO need to point out or understand the Greek term means IMMERSE.)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think you got me confused with the other guy. *I* have no problem with the terms used in the KJV.

The terms being referenced are the ones the King ordered 'retained' as they had 'long ecclesiastical usage'. Those terms were rejected by the Geneva translators, by the way.

But like I said, those terms can be readily understood by simply paying attention to context. (With the POSSIBLE exception of 'baptizo', there I think you DO need to point out or understand the Greek term means IMMERSE.)

"Unto what then were you immersed? Unto John's immersion"...I dunno brother. that sort of loses it's appeal for me