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View Poll Results: Is water baptism part of the new birth?
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:38 AM
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Its not turning out like some of you thought. I must say I am pleasantly surprised myself!

23 for.
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This is starting to feel like an "Apostolic" Forum!
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:16 AM
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I'm saved! Thank God for water baptism in Jesus name that has given me "the answer of a good conscience toward God".

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But, it ain't saved you.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:49 AM
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Born of water is being born of the Spirit per the harmony of John's gospel. The Baptist preached baptism unto repentance. If one refuses baptism it is because God has not granted him repentance. Baptism is beautiful, it is scriptural. Circumcision of the heart and identifying with the burial and resurrection of Christ take place in/at water baptism. Whether it is the literal application of a spiritual reality, or if it is symbolism, I have not reached a verdict. A person with a clear conscience gladly submits to water baptism per the Apostle called Peter. That being said, I do not see where the scriptures teach that water baptism is synonymous with being born of water nor do I find where sin are forgiven at baptism.
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:32 AM
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Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?

I voted yes on this, because the wording of this poll is quite vague... is baptism part of the new birth... it doesn't ask which name to baptize in, or how baptism is done, or exactly how baptism determines "salvation" but just asks if it is part of the new birth.

So to that end, I would have to answer yes, of course. No one really can deny that baptism was part of the NT church practice.

Hebrews 6:1-2 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

Here baptism is mentioned in the plural... so apparently not just water baptism, but spiritual baptism was part of the doctrine of Christ!

The principles of the doctrine of Christ, according to the writer of Hebrews were the following:
1. Repentance from dead works
2. Faith toward God
3. Doctrine of baptisms
4. Laying on of hands
5. Resurrection of the dead
6. Eternal judgment

So the original polled question could be further defined by asking "which baptism"... water... or spirit? Or both?
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:46 PM
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Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?

Why can't baptism be a PART of the New Birth but not be an absolute NECESSITY in order to become Born again?
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Why can't baptism be a PART of the New Birth but not be an absolute NECESSITY in order to become Born again?
Hmm. That's thought provoking.
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Why can't baptism be a PART of the New Birth but not be an absolute NECESSITY in order to become Born again?
Could the same be said of the Spirit?

Why can't the Spirit be a PART of the New Birth but not be an absolute NECESSITY in order to become Born again?

Can the new birth really be dissected into "parts" that can be counted less important than other "parts"?

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Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?

It is in parts. Its all essential. Unless a man is born of water and spirit he cannot enter the kingdom.

Nonetheless there is that OTHER ESSENTIAL PART.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:8

I can see the same elements here as in Acts 2:38.
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Could the same be said of the Spirit?

Why can't the Spirit be a PART of the New Birth but not be an absolute NECESSITY in order to become Born again?

Can the new birth really be dissected into "parts" that can be counted less important than other "parts"?

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First of all the bible explicitly states the Spirit's Role in being Born of again. However as far as Parts, it says "born of water AND Spirit"..that's two parts.

BTW since I did not refer to one thing being more important, your question is a form of a strawman argument. Id say they are ALL important. Being IMPORTANT does not answer what ROLE they play
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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