End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ahhhh yes, good ol' Frank Viola & his horrid information. You should be plumb embarrassed that you even appealed to his writings - they are easily proven erroneous (in fact, I eventually just quit reading his book it was so terrible).


You really could use some classes in the discipline of critical analysis !

Amen!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RJR

We are talking about prophesy are we not? Sorry you have not demonstrated yet where a woman is given permission to preach.

Please give another example of what you mean by preach vs. prophesy. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ahhhh yes, good ol' Frank Viola & his horrid information. You should be plumb embarrassed that you even appealed to his writings - they are easily proven erroneous (in fact, I eventually just quit reading his book it was so terrible).


You really could use some classes in the discipline of critical analysis !

Hey, now, Frank isn't that bad. What elements of his work did you find most erroneous? I'm interested to hear what you've found. I'm not above taking a step back to take a second look at something. I could learn something I didn't know.

[Aquila]

I'd like to share something to help clarify what I'm saying. I was taught the following about "preaching"...

Preaching: 2782 // khrugma // kerugma // kay'-roog-mah //

from 2784 ; TDNT - 3:714,430; n n

AV - preaching 8; 8

1) that which is proclaimed by a herald or public crier, a
proclamation by herald
2) in the NT the message or proclamation of the heralds of God or
Christ

"Preaching" is therefore a general and all encompassing term for a NT message, or proclamation, that may include any or all of the following:

Prophesy
Teaching
Admonition
Rebuke
Exhortation
Testimony

With this in mind, in a preacher's "preaching" they might prophesy, teach, admonish, rebuke, testify, and/or exhort. Technically one can even give a witness while "preaching", seeing that any one of these elements "witness" to Christ's gospel, power, doctrine, or authority. A preacher's "preaching" might include any one of these elements... or even all of them.

Thus, if a woman can be permitted to "prophesy" in the gathering ...her "prophesying" is indeed a form of "preaching" and is perfectly permissible.

Do you disagree with this? If so, share what you were taught.

[Aquila]

Here is what I was taught about the limitations of women....

Limitations on a woman as it relates to ministry at home or in the congregation:

1 Timothy 2:10-12
King James Version (KJV)
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

As it relates to the home, a woman is to be godly in her conduct, and learn in silence with all subjection to her husband. She isn't to teach or guide the home, that is the responsibility of "the man" (the husband). When a husband rises up to be the spiritual authority of the home, the woman (wife) should be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35
King James Version (KJV)
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

God isn't the author of confusion. Therefore gatherings should be conducted decently and be in order. Women are not to be gossiping, privately discussing issues, or asking questions in the midst of the meeting. This would be a disruption. Therefore, the "women" doing this should be silent in the meetings and listen up... even if it's a woman prophesying (preaching). Should the women have any serious questions about the faith, they are not to bog down the gathering with endless questions. Rather, they are to wait and ask their husbands at home. This reinforces a husband's spiritual authority in the home (see 1 Timothy 2:10-12).

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Since a "bishop" is clearly expected to be the husband of one wife, and no accommodation for women is given, a woman cannot hold the office of bishop (pastor, overseer, elder) in the congregation. Likewise the same rule applies to the office of deacon:

1 Timothy 3:12
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

Please tell me if you agree, or share what you were taught.

[Aquila]

Thus... if a woman prophesies in the gathering... it is a form of preaching.

If a woman testifies in gatherings... it is a form of preaching.

If a woman offers any teaching in a gathering (even if primarily to the ladies) ... it is a form of preaching.

If a woman admonishes, exhorts, or rebukes (in any form or fashion) in a gathering... it is a form of preaching.

Therefore, it is incorrect to say that a woman isn't permitted to "preach" in gatherings.

[Aquila]

This understanding is also an experiential truth. For how many times has a preacher prophesied and someone cries out, "Preach preacher!" In addition, we've all heard preachers teach, admonish, rebuke, exhort, and testify in their "preaching". And many of us who are reading this thread have even given our witness with a big hearty, "Preach preacher!", in response to any one of these elements.

So, it must be understood that "preaching" takes on many different forms in a Spirit led gathering. To pigeonhole its definition is to limit its scope beyond what we see in Scripture and what we see experientially in our gatherings.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

If it was given to women to baptize where did they baptize IN THE BIBLE? There is about 90 years of Biblical record after Mat 28:19. Sis Alvear said half of the MINISTERS Paul recognized were women, surely they were not disobedient if Mat 28:19 was instructions given to women? Don't forget to answer the questions.

1 Where did women baptize in the Bible?
2 Since there is no record did they disobey?

Are you saying that Jesus would not have women go out into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature and baptize them? Is that what you are saying? Are you saying that "Go YE therefore" is speaking to men only? Any man? Only Bishops? Only preachers? To whom is that verse speaking??

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Yeah RJR you're imposing your modern concept onto the texts. Don't you know the Bible if filled with women preachers? LOL!!!


Wait...

ROTFL!!!


Why Jesus called how many women to be Apostle's?
ROTFL!!!

Im not real sure but I think there were 12 male Jews. No Samaritians.

[Esther]

JR and Pliny, where do you stand on Apostles and prophets today?