Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

I was to busy cleaning eggs off my car and house...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Charnock

This post is horribly offensive, as are most you type. You seem to relish hate.

Truth hurts sometimes, eh?

[Reader]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

They don't get dealt with because nobody reports them or not enough are reporting them.

That's my answer.

It's also not a comparison either because you are comparing views on things that are not personalized compared to talking about the UPC and those that believe or are still IN the UPC.

We don't read every post...you guys have to report this stuff

Why would there have to be lots of people reporting them if the posting does not fall within the written guidelines? Just one report should do it I would think.

It is most certainly a comparison. Sharing that one's faith is essentially nothing is not personal? Telling them that they cannot trust things in the Bible isn't personal? Challenging someone to pray and heal a person while video taping it for all to see is not personal? I could go on and on.

Naming an organization in a post, while not naming anyone in the organization, is not personal. Not unless something is stated to the effect of, "Everyone in that group is (some negative remark)."

I believe that if I pounded some other discussion that was anti-Bible/faith in the same manner as was repeatedly done on ILG's discussion, I'd probably be reprimanded, maybe banned.

I DO get your frustration if there are a bunch of "anti" UPC discussions. Perhaps the board rules are due for a change?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Reader

Why would there have to be lots of people reporting them if the posting does not fall within the written guidelines? Just one report should do it I would think.

It is most certainly a comparison. Sharing that one's faith is essentially nothing is not personal? Telling them that they cannot trust things in the Bible isn't personal? Challenging someone to pray and heal a person while video taping it for all to see is not personal? I could go on and on.

Naming an organization in a post, while not naming anyone in the organization, is not personal. Not unless something is stated to the effect of, "Everyone in that group is (some negative remark)."

I believe that if I pounded some other discussion that was anti-Bible/faith in the same manner as was repeatedly done on ILG's discussion, I'd probably be reprimanded, maybe banned.

I DO get your frustration if there are a bunch of "anti" UPC discussions. Perhaps the board rules are due for a change?

The original intent of FCF, which this forum eventually derived from was so people could freely discuss any and all issues. When the forum founder, a UPC preacher, died, the forum morphed into different names, but the spirit of which is supposed to be a safe place for discussion. Just saying.

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

The original intent of FCF, which this forum eventually derived from was so people could freely discuss any and all issues. When the forum founder, a UPC preacher, died, the forum morphed into different names, but the spirit of which is supposed to be a safe place for discussion. Just saying.

I knew the founder and his family for many years, and while he would allow discussion, he wouldn't have allowed the constant bashing as is happening now.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

This post is horribly offensive, as are most you type. You seem to relish hate.

How is it full of hate and offensive? Saying it get's OLD to constantly hear "UPC this and that" is horribly offensive and hateful? lol.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How is it full of hate and offensive? Saying it get's OLD to constantly hear "UPC this and that" is horribly offensive and hateful? lol.

Apparently.

Then he turned around and posted this gem:

Originally Posted by Charnock

They want you to shut up because your silence ensures the survival of the abusive system. Predators tell young children that they will kill them and/or their family if they ever tell about the abuse.

Silence never helps those who've been raped, beaten or robbed.

Compared the UPC to abusers, rapists, predators, and thieves.

But your post is the offensive one.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Reader

Why would there have to be lots of people reporting them if the posting does not fall within the written guidelines? Just one report should do it I would think.

It is most certainly a comparison. Sharing that one's faith is essentially nothing is not personal? Telling them that they cannot trust things in the Bible isn't personal? Challenging someone to pray and heal a person while video taping it for all to see is not personal? I could go on and on.

Naming an organization in a post, while not naming anyone in the organization, is not personal. Not unless something is stated to the effect of, "Everyone in that group is (some negative remark)."

I believe that if I pounded some other discussion that was anti-Bible/faith in the same manner as was repeatedly done on ILG's discussion, I'd probably be reprimanded, maybe banned.

I DO get your frustration if there are a bunch of "anti" UPC discussions. Perhaps the board rules are due for a change?

I don't know if they fall within written guildelines until someone reports them.

There is also a lot of grey area in the rules and I believe the more that complain the more likely that will affect decisions on those grey areas

But the fact is very few people report anything but they complain the Admins are not doing enough. And there are only 2 or 3 active Admins.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

The original intent of FCF, which this forum eventually derived from was so people could freely discuss any and all issues. When the forum founder, a UPC preacher, died, the forum morphed into different names, but the spirit of which is supposed to be a safe place for discussion. Just saying.

That's not true.

This forum does NOT derive from FCF.

BTW I repeat, nobody was censored. Your posts were not deleted nor where you banned.

Just as you have the ability to UPC bash, I have the ability to complain. It's a free forum. (well not actually, someone has to pay for it)

The goal of THIS forum was always to be a place for Apostolics and former Apostolics (our friends) to come together and stay together. Lots of Friends who went to college together came so they could catch up and stay in contact

But the fighting began, it wasn't just disagreements over doctrine, but as I said it was railing against an entire group (the UPC) as well as all Conservative Apostolics.

And we gave you guys the leeway you demanded. The few stuff we did not allow were slanderous mentioning of other people by name both members and none members.

A lot of those Conservatives and UPCers got sick of it and left.

The result was a forum that was mostly liberal and moderates with a few Conservatives. And they all have their pet reasons for leaving or why the forum is not going according to their plan but their reasons all contradict each other. Essentially we were supposed to play baby sitter and did a bad job.

A lot of Liberals left and formed their own forum that died and I just wonder too if Charnock believes the Admin killed that too or does he just have a problem in general with Admins.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

I knew the founder and his family for many years, and while he would allow discussion, he wouldn't have allowed the constant bashing as is happening now.

Not only that, I hear all the time about how FCF worked and questions about why.

But the fact is FCF was not around long enough to find out if it worked or not. Demographics change. Most people are on facefook with their own preferred group instead of being some place where they have to endure a daily barrage of attacks on them or their church affiliation