Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully - Page 5

TJJJ · #41 07-09-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Goofy.

Alas, we are in agreement!!!

You got it right on this for being a dispee.

MawMaw · #42 07-09-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The subject is being BORN AGAIN! If he hadn't be born first the discussion would not have taken place. Natural birth is water and spirit thus the spiritual birth is water & Spirit. See how easy that was?

Glad I could be a help.

Anyone doing a casual reading in Acts can see the importance of being baptized in water. It as done immediately after someone believed.
Before Jesus taught or performed the first miracle He was baptized.
The scribes rejected the counsel of God not being baptized.
Paul said baptism puts us into Christ.
Peter said baptism saves us.
Baptism is FOR the remission of sins.
Baptism washes sins away.
Baptism was commanded.
ALL OT sacrifices and services included water.
The Spirit of God was resting on the waters in Gen.1:2
Anyone who didn't wash in water died trying to enter into the tabernacle.
Have you ever noticed all the miracles in scripture that includes water?
Minimize water in the plan at your on eternal peril.

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The key word as Bro. Epley has pointed out is born AGAIN. Baptist and most trinitarians incorrectly teach that the water was from your natural birth, but Jesus said AGAIN. Water and spirit at first birth and water and Spirit at second verse.

Yay I say!

Barb · #43 07-09-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl

Water and spirit birth can never be destroyed for those who have experienced it.

"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, no explanation will suffice."

Sean · #44 07-09-2014, 04:03 PM

Guys, I thought I would post this from a different thread that we are having a debate on for those that never considered this...

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Read it CAREFULLY bro.

Jesus said....8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth(it cannot be felt, thus you cannot know the direction of it, the only way to identify it is a SOUND) so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Acts 2:2....2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind,(not a wind, but the SOUND of a wind) and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

We have heard preachers all our life say it was a wind...that is not the truth.

It was only a SOUND of a wind in both passages. That was a miraculous "sign" that Jesus gave in John 3 of how to identify the actual outpouring of the Holy Ghost for the 1st time in history.

Read it carefully....

So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Now look at what happened next...Acts 2:41

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

You see the fulfillment of the the Spirit birth AND the Water birth of John 3:5-8 in Acts 2

Pressing-On · #45 07-09-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl

Water and spirit birth can never be destroyed for those who have experienced it.

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Originally Posted by Barb

"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, no explanation will suffice."

Pressing-On · #46 07-09-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Guys, I thought I would post this from a different thread yhat we are hving a debate on for those that never considered this...

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Read it CAREFULLY bro.

Jesus said....8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth(it cannot be felt, thus you cannot know the direction of it, the only way to identify it is a SOUND) so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Acts 2:2....2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind,(not a wind, but the SOUND of a wind) and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

We have heard preachers all our life say it was a wind...that is not the truth.

It was only a SOUND of a wind in both passages. That was a miraculous "sign" that Jesus gave in John 3 of how to identify the actual outpouring of the Holy Ghost for the 1st time in history.

Read it carefully....

So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Now look at what happened next...Acts 2:41

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

You see the fulfillment of the the Spirit birth AND the Water birth in Acts 2

I've always understood it to be imagery and not actually wind (as of) or even the actual sound of wind. It is the same as Matthew 3:16 "...he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove...." It wasn't an actual dove (like a), but imagery of gentleness, the dove being the most gentle of birds.

NotforSale · #47 07-09-2014, 04:23 PM

What will happen to 99.9999999% of the Human Race who don't believe in this Doctrine? Even people within our own Faith can't agree on this issue, and this never ending debate is a complete waste of time. Religion and Men have created this dogma, not God.

People need to wake up to the real truth, being set free from ideas that revel in the fear of unknown, unproven realms that torment those who afraid to question.

Pressing-On · #48 07-09-2014, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

What will happen to 99.9999999% of the Human Race who don't believe in this Doctrine? Even people within our own Faith can't agree on this issue, and this never ending debate is a complete waste of time. Religion and Men have created this dogma, not God.

People need to wake up to the real truth, being set free from ideas that revel in the fear of unknown, unproven realms that torment those who afraid to question.

I was amazed when I worked for the Census Bureau, years ago, how many people had come into contact, accepted and later walked away from a Pentecostal style message of salvation - not speaking standards here. So, you have no idea how many people are familiar with the Gospel message. I'm not going to put my view of what people believe and what they are doing over what the Word of God says. That would be foolish.

Sean · #49 07-09-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I've always understood it to be imagery and not actually wind (as of) or even the actual sound of wind. It is the same as Matthew 3:16 "...he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove...." It wasn't an actual dove (like a), but imagery of gentleness, the dove being the most gentle of birds.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled(the sound) all the house where they were sitting.

It was an actual sound, and it was heard by all....(like a loud windstorm without the physical effects of wind)

Pressing-On · #50 07-09-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled(the sound) all the house where they were sitting.

It was an actual sound, and it was heard by all....

"as of"? Isn't that imagery?