55th Annual Campmeeting (For Bro Eply)

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

All except them preterist heretics.

Preterists are welcome I hope they come and get restored don't want to see them lost. They won't be preaching.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Preterists are welcome I hope they come and get restored don't want to see them lost. They won't be preaching.

The midwest is funny that way. They get all upset over differences in eschatology and this man wont preach that man and vice versa.

The funny thing is, many of them that do preach each other have other differences that they conveniently overlook. Christmas and etc. Never quite figured it out but...

They will fight each other over prophecy, wine versus grape juice, all manner of things, unles they happen to be friends... then it changes everything.

I know of a situation around me that one man wouldn't fellowship them preterists, but would have a preacher evangelist park at his church that was a preterist and a carpenter. Now, it was okay for him to fellowship him, because the man was also working on his church, but any others.... oh my.

Lots of double standards it seems.

I watched, as the witch hunts escalated 7 years ago, the atttudes split groups and pitted brothers against brothers and have come to the conclusion that there will be some men that will have to either repent of their sins or will die lost. And I don't mean preterism.

The Bible doesn't say that you have to believe in a rapture to be saved, but it does say that you have to love your brother and that group has a lot of hatred in it. Hope some repent before it is too late.

As for me and my house... I am better off gone from it.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

The midwest is funny that way. They get all upset over differences in eschatology and this man wont preach that man and vice versa.

The funny thing is, many of them that do preach each other have other differences that they conveniently overlook. Christmas and etc. Never quite figured it out but...

They will fight each other over prophecy, wine versus grape juice, all manner of things, unles they happen to be friends... then it changes everything.

I know of a situation around me that one man wouldn't fellowship them preterists, but would have a preacher evangelist park at his church that was a preterist and a carpenter. Now, it was okay for him to fellowship him, because the man was also working on his church, but any others.... oh my.

Lots of double standards it seems.

I watched, as the witch hunts escalated 7 years ago, the atttudes split groups and pitted brothers against brothers and have come to the conclusion that there will be some men that will have to either repent of their sins or will die lost. And I don't mean preterism.

The Bible doesn't say that you have to believe in a rapture to be saved, but it does say that you have to love your brother and that group has a lot of hatred in it. Hope some repent before it is too late.

As for me and my house... I am better off gone from it.

I have friends who went that way I love them> I would feed them, come to their aid in trouble. I would not preach them. Preterism changes the fundamental doctrine. I do not hate them I hate their false doctrine.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have friends who went that way I love them> I would feed them, come to their aid in trouble. I would not preach them. Preterism changes the fundamental doctrine. I do not hate them I hate their false doctrine.

So you feel that they are lost? That they are going to hell if they don't believe in dispensationalism like you do?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

So you feel that they are lost? That they are going to hell if they don't believe in dispensationalism like you do?

No a person does not have to be a dispensationtalist for fellowship however he must believe in the future literal return of Christ, future resurrection of the dead, future judgment. I do believe a person who denies these will not be saved.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

The midwest is funny that way. They get all upset over differences in eschatology and this man wont preach that man and vice versa.

The funny thing is, many of them that do preach each other have other differences that they conveniently overlook. Christmas and etc. Never quite figured it out but...

They will fight each other over prophecy, wine versus grape juice, all manner of things, unles they happen to be friends... then it changes everything.

I know of a situation around me that one man wouldn't fellowship them preterists, but would have a preacher evangelist park at his church that was a preterist and a carpenter. Now, it was okay for him to fellowship him, because the man was also working on his church, but any others.... oh my.

Lots of double standards it seems.

I watched, as the witch hunts escalated 7 years ago, the atttudes split groups and pitted brothers against brothers and have come to the conclusion that there will be some men that will have to either repent of their sins or will die lost. And I don't mean preterism.

The Bible doesn't say that you have to believe in a rapture to be saved, but it does say that you have to love your brother and that group has a lot of hatred in it. Hope some repent before it is too late.

As for me and my house... I am better off gone from it.

Is this for real?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No a person does not have to be a dispensationtalist for fellowship however he must believe in the future literal return of Christ, future resurrection of the dead, future judgment. I do believe a person who denies these will not be saved.

I agree with this. I have spent a great deal studying Preterism and still never came to an understanding on it. There are sooooo many different versions. I cannot escape the fact that the Bible also clearly teaches a thousand year millennial reign.

I do only believe in one Second coming though. Not two phases.

It's not important enough for me to debate...as long as we can agree Jesus is coming back. My pastor and I share slightly different views and he was very clear "You have a right to study and figure out what you believe on it....just don't get stuck on it".

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No a person does not have to be a dispensationtalist for fellowship however he must believe in the future literal return of Christ, future resurrection of the dead, future judgment. I do believe a person who denies these will not be saved.

Huh! Funny. Most apostolic ministers who were falsely labeled preterists during the witch hunt believe in a future return of the Lord, future resurrection, and that there is judgment in the future. So what happens now?

I understand what you are saying Bro Epley but respectfully have to disagree with you on the salvation part. You are entirely without Scripture to back you up on your statement. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere does it say that a person must believe in what you said to be saved. You might believe that but it is not the Word.

Respectfully, you have added to the Word.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is this for real?

Yep.

Sure is.

It is amazing what the ministers will choose to fight their brother over. But only if they want to have a difference with that man.

The infighting amoung ministers is based upon a lot of things. Heard a man preach a great sermon on the basis for the infighting.

The biggest reason that the fighting happens is the loss of love one for another.

Then of course there is the pride and jealousy. I am right and you are wrong kind of pride.

And the battles go on and on and on.

Course you realize that, if I can accuse a fellow pastor of false doctrine, then now it gives me the right, nay, the obligation, to try to save the poor people that are in another congregation. So I could use the difference in doctrine that the fighting is supposedly over to steal people!

It usually is not about doctrine but about coveteousness, jealousy, pride, etc and etc.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I agree with this. I have spent a great deal studying Preterism and still never came to an understanding on it. There are sooooo many different versions. I cannot escape the fact that the Bible also clearly teaches a thousand year millennial reign.

I do only believe in one Second coming though. Not two phases.

It's not important enough for me to debate...as long as we can agree Jesus is coming back. My pastor and I share slightly different views and he was very clear "You have a right to study and figure out what you believe on it....just don't get stuck on it".

KC, respectfully, you use that as a reason? When dispensationalism has sooooo many versions of that doctrine? That is one reason I have a real problem with dispensationalism. Pre, mid, post, post trib historist, and etc.

Secondly, study the Bible again. It does not teach clearly a thousand year reign. Only one chapter teached it, Rev 20.

If we took the same basis to teach other doctrines we would be in trouble.

Respectfully