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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

The world he spoke of ended with destruction of Jerusalem/Temple. Of you look up the word world in Matt 24 it means age not literal physical world. This why he told them "when you see these things"

Actually, it doesn't say "The end of the world"

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

And the word for "world" here

oikouménē; gen. oikouménēs, fem. noun from oikéō (G3611), to dwell, abide.
(I) The inhabited earth, the world.
(A) The Roman Empire (Act_17:6); the Jews in the world (Act_24:5).
(B) Of Palestine and the adjacent countries (Luk_2:1; Act_11:28).
(II) Generally, and in later usage, the habitable globe, the earth, the world as known to the people of ancient times (Mat_24:14; Luk_21:26; Rom_10:18; Heb_1:6; Rev_16:14).
(A) Hyperbolically (Luk_4:5; Sept.: Psa_19:4; Psa_24:1; Isa_23:17).
(B) Metonymically, the world or the inhabitants of the earth, mankind (Act_17:31; Act_19:27; Rev_3:10; Rev_12:9; Sept.: Psa_98:9).
(C) Metaphorically, the future age (Heb_2:5).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Didn't say it did.

Then what was the point?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Then what was the point?

Point? So all your posts have a point.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I have not said he was dropped off on some mountain. That was what the sons of the prophets speculated. I always say he was probably needed somewhere else.

Nonetheless we can be as certain as certain is that he did not ascend into Heaven. That is if one takes Christ as their final authority.

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13

Mike, yet you haven't proved that Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind to transport him to any other place on the planet. No matter what problems you have trying to reconcile John 3:13 with 2nd Kings 2:1, you just can't invent things to seem like your strengthening your argument. Because just by looking at 2nd Kings 2:1 we see Elijah being taken up into heaven. It doesn't say that Elijah was transported, translated, God brought Elijah to another place via whirlwind. Elisha the student of Elijah follows the prophet to ask for a blessing, the students of the school of the prophets notify that Elijah would be taken by the Lord. Not to another area of Judea or Israel.

The student of Elijah, Elisha rents his own mantle, a sign of mourning, or distress, not that Elijah is going on some air ride, but that he is being taken by the Lord. Elijah's mantle 2 Kings 2:11-14 is passed from Elijah to Elisha, this symbolizes not a change of clothes because Elisha just torn his own into shreds, but a passing of prophetic authority. One can only deduce from your speculation concerning Elijah being whisked away in a whirlwind that if he wasn't being taken up into heaven, (just merely being shuttled to some remote spot in Israel), was the old prophet retiring from ministry?

Elijah does pass the mantle (his own) to Elisha. So, if he wasn't taken up into heaven as 2nd Kings 2:1 and 2nd Kings 2:11 clearly state, then by your view was Elijah retiring from his ministry? If retiring then why was he sending messages to Jehoram?

Herbert W. Armstrong also taught the same as you, as does his splinter groups.

Your teaching like Hebert's does more for question begging, then question answering.

[Michael The Disciple]

Mike, yet you haven't proved that Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind to transport him to any other place on the planet. No matter what problems you have trying to reconcile John 3:13 with 2nd Kings 2:1, you just can't invent things to seem like your strengthening your argument. Because just by looking at 2nd Kings 2:1 we see Elijah being taken up into heaven.

Dom,

Elijah went to Heaven. Agreed. Now look up the meaning of "Heaven" in Hebrew and you will know where he went. Strongs 8064.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

Elijah went to Heaven. Agreed. Now look up the meaning of "Heaven" in Hebrew and you will know where he went. Strongs 8064.

I understand the meaning for the Hebrew "heaven" the same thing for Greek, and Spanish. Then Elijah went into orbit only to land when Jehoram needed a letter?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

Elijah went to Heaven. Agreed. Now look up the meaning of "Heaven" in Hebrew and you will know where he went. Strongs 8064.

So he went to where God dwells?

Hey, you said to look up the word. That's how it's used. Sure it sometimes refers to sky or even where the stars are but it also refers to God's abode

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So he went to where God dwells?

Hey, you said to look up the word. That's how it's used. Sure it sometimes refers to sky or even where the stars are but it also refers to God's abode

And look up the word you did.

Good job.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually, it doesn't say "The end of the world"

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

And the word for "world" here

oikouménē; gen. oikouménēs, fem. noun from oikéō (G3611), to dwell, abide.
(I) The inhabited earth, the world.
(A) The Roman Empire (Act_17:6); the Jews in the world (Act_24:5).
(B) Of Palestine and the adjacent countries (Luk_2:1; Act_11:28).
(II) Generally, and in later usage, the habitable globe, the earth, the world as known to the people of ancient times (Mat_24:14; Luk_21:26; Rom_10:18; Heb_1:6; Rev_16:14).
(A) Hyperbolically (Luk_4:5; Sept.: Psa_19:4; Psa_24:1; Isa_23:17).
(B) Metonymically, the world or the inhabitants of the earth, mankind (Act_17:31; Act_19:27; Rev_3:10; Rev_12:9; Sept.: Psa_98:9).
(C) Metaphorically, the future age (Heb_2:5).

Matthew 24:3 KJV

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 13:39 KJV

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.


World is end of the age they were living in.


Hebrews 9:26 KJV

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Jesus came at the end of the world. Aka age