Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/14 - Page 29

Evang.Benincasa · #**281** 08-26-2014, 08:10 PM

2nd Timothy 4:14-15

"Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words."

MissBrattified · #**282** 08-26-2014, 08:16 PM

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I think you're right Bratti, except I doubt there would be compromise....

I'm sure there wouldn't be...every time...but it is much harder to be mean to people to their face. Which is, IMO, the very reason why face to face resolution is absolutely necessary. It also allows you to see the other person's emotions, expressions, hear their tone of voice, etc. On the flip side, when you keep people at arms length, you make it easier to devalue them and treat them badly.

MissBrattified · #**283** 08-26-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

2nd Timothy 4:14-15

"Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words."

When a great number of ministers take "words" directly to Steve Pixler, and then report back with how he "withstood" them and also how he "did much evil", the comparison might fit.

Evang.Benincasa · #**284** 08-26-2014, 08:18 PM

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When a great number of ministers take "words" directly to Steve Pixler, and then report back with how he "withstood" them and also how he "did much evil", the comparison might fit.

Sister did you notice anything about the post?

MissBrattified · #**285** 08-26-2014, 08:20 PM

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Sister did you notice anything about the post?

I responded to the content that I noticed, and I also noticed that it was enlarged font. Was there something else you wanted me to notice that I missed?

CC1 · #**286** 08-26-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I understand the great disappointment and misgivings that any conservative Apostolic would have over Steve Pixler going a liberal direction, assuming that's what he's doing. Obviously if you feel strongly enough about [any particular] doctrine to believe that it's a salvation-maker-or-breaker, then you would feel strongly enough to want people to be under different leadership--out of concern for their souls.

That said, I don't understand the complete departure from biblical protocol for someone who is going astray. Shouldn't each minister who is concerned set up a private meeting with Steve Pixler to try to dissuade him from his views? If that doesn't work out, shouldn't there then be a meeting with a few more ministers present? And if that doesn't work, shouldn't an open-to-the-whole-church-meeting be called to discuss his views and decisions?

Who knows what kinds of agreements, resolutions, and compromises could be reached if people simply followed the NT prescription for precisely these types of situations. Instead, the modus operandi is to isolate oneself from the offending party, gossip about them, tear up their reputation, criticize, "warn" other people against them, etc.

It always amazes me, the lengths to which we'll go to avoid any given biblical method. God gives us the perfect solution, and we still set about doing it all our way--the way that most pleases our flesh. The problem is that doing things carnally results in destruction, chaos and death. There's a reason why Paul said to let those who are "spiritual" restore those who are taken in a "fault"--in a spirit of meekness.

Mind you, I'm not making statements about SP or drawing conclusions about his recent messages. I haven't had time to listen to any of the sermons that have been linked on this forum, and I'm not privy to any personal facts about this situation (not that I would share them, even if I were). It does seem to me that biblical protocol ought to matter. Actually, it should be of the utmost importance to anyone who is truly concerned for Steve Pixler and his congregation.

The first part I can agree with. The middle part about a church meeting I think does not fit this scenario. I don't think any GIB is going to let some outside preachers come in and have a meeting at his church to challenge what he is teaching.

MissBrattified · #**287** 08-26-2014, 08:48 PM

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The first part I can agree with. The middle part about a church meeting I think does not fit this scenario. I don't think any GIB is going to let some outside preachers come in and have a meeting at his church to challenge what he is teaching.

I wasn't envisioning that type of scenario for "step 3"; I was thinking more along the lines of calling a public meeting (public in the sense of open to saints) and addressing concerns "before all."

However, even in your scenario, which I think would be much less orderly (obviously), it still seems like the more manly way to handle an issue. Take the problem directly to the source--after it has been addressed privately and semi-privately. If that fails to bring about some sort of resolution, then I guess the matter can be finished.

IMO, the failure to address problems directly and openly is part of what has led to so much division in the church. When you are direct, there is at least the possibility of some resolution or unity. When you simply fracture off, ostracize and isolate, you take that right off the table.

Jason B · #**288** 08-26-2014, 08:56 PM

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What a friend.

Yep. He's a lot like most UC-OPs. He thinks everyone is going to hell, including me. When he said all that about me, warned his church about me, said I would backslide within 3 years and such I just let it be. I didn't get angry, I just said I'm going to continue to live for God and be proof to him and the people in that church that just because you leave this sect doesn't mean you can't live as a Christian and doesn't mean all hell is going to break loose in your life.

I can still be friendly with him because I care about him. I want him to see how wrong he is about me and others, and hopefully reevaluate his stance. Christ is my judge, not him. What do I gain by being hateful back. In fact in taking his abuse and keeping a cool head I have been able to have 2 substantial discussions with him on doctrine and life in general. I don't know if God can use me or not but every time he sees me and speaks with me I hope he leaves knowing knowing he was wrong about me and one can have a relationship with Christ without the standards.

MissBrattified · #**289** 08-26-2014, 08:57 PM

And yes, I realize the "ideal" that I've proffered is total garbage in relation to how likely it is to be implemented. A girl can dream....

It's just unfortunate, because I truly believe that God would accomplish a lot more through us and in us if we would actually follow His directions.

Steve Epley · #**290** 08-26-2014, 08:57 PM

Do you really think SP hasn't had Elders speak to him? Do you folks think we are heartless unfeeling to kill our own without trying to reach him? Not over this last issue but I have personally contacted him over 3 previous issues. He is a brilliant man and he has the right to reject any counsel he deems as not in his interest. I yet pray for a last minute reversal but not with a lot of faith I confess. I love his parents.