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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I understand the great disappointment and misgivings that any conservative Apostolic would have over Steve Pixler going a liberal direction, assuming that's what he's doing. Obviously if you feel strongly enough about [any particular] doctrine to believe that it's a salvation-maker-or-breaker, then you would feel strongly enough to want people to be under different leadership--out of concern for their souls.
That said, I don't understand the complete departure from biblical protocol for someone who is going astray. Shouldn't each minister who is concerned set up a private meeting with Steve Pixler to try to dissuade him from his views? If that doesn't work out, shouldn't there then be a meeting with a few more ministers present? And if that doesn't work, shouldn't an open-to-the-whole-church-meeting be called to discuss his views and decisions?
Who knows what kinds of agreements, resolutions, and compromises could be reached if people simply followed the NT prescription for precisely these types of situations. Instead, the modus operandi is to isolate oneself from the offending party, gossip about them, tear up their reputation, criticize, "warn" other people against them, etc.
It always amazes me, the lengths to which we'll go to avoid any given biblical method. God gives us the perfect solution, and we still set about doing it all our way--the way that most pleases our flesh. The problem is that doing things carnally results in destruction, chaos and death. There's a reason why Paul said to let those who are "spiritual" restore those who are taken in a "fault"--in a spirit of meekness.
Mind you, I'm not making statements about SP or drawing conclusions about his recent messages. I haven't had time to listen to any of the sermons that have been linked on this forum, and I'm not privy to any personal facts about this situation (not that I would share them, even if I were). It does seem to me that biblical protocol ought to matter. Actually, it should be of the utmost importance to anyone who is truly concerned for Steve Pixler and his congregation.
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The first part I can agree with. The middle part about a church meeting I think does not fit this scenario. I don't think any GIB is going to let some outside preachers come in and have a meeting at his church to challenge what he is teaching.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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