So... YOU say he didn't... but how do YOU know this? How can you document this as truth?
Of course I can't document it. I don't have to. You can't document the opposite claim, either. There is no evidence that God inspired any writings. But that doesn't bother you, does it?
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Your comment: "You see Timmy, that's how YOU believed (might still do) how there are those who 'deserve it.'" From that, I inferred that you don't believe they deserve their eternal punishment. No, I'm not sure, as you don't like to give clear answers to simple questions, but it seems that you do?
Calling them wicked helps, I suppose. People like me, who don't believe what you do and so will burn in hell forever. Wicked ol' me.
SMH.
That's your choice Timmy, not my desire for you. You believe that you are enlightened and I'm deceived and visa versa. You see I was raised by an atheist, so I have been through this rodeo, just with a smarter atheist, no offence.
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Yes it is.
But one day you get to find out if your opinion was correct. If you end up maggot food you won't know it, because you cease to exist, but if you are wrong, it will be too late.
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Does every Christian have the sound mind they are promised? The peace? The joy?
I do.
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I have never dissed God.
Oh, I'm sorry, you're agnostic?
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You are the master of yours, also. Dispute that, if you can.
No Jesus is the master.
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I am not happy to be thrown into flames.
I won't be. Nobody will. There is no reason to believe that your myth is true, any more than any other religious imaginings are true. None.
You can't be happy or sad about eternal (or temporary) flames, because you don't believe its fact, again, no problem you will someday test out your thesis.
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Do you hope you are right and I'm wrong?
You being right encompasses far more then eschatology, but life and the meaning of life. Hey, how many non-religious cultures succeeded? 2,000 years of Christianity did more good then what they atheists accuse it of bad.
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My prediction is that when we die, we are just dead. We are no longer, just as we didn't exist before we were born (or conceived, if you prefer).
No it's your HOPE, not prediction.
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But your prediction is that I will suffer forever, and you will be happy forever. Is that your preference?
Do you really want it to end up as you think God designed it?
Choices it is all about choices, God doesn't desire the death of anyone, nor does any parent desire their children to go to prison, but it is up to the child to make the right choices as they grow. My "atheist" father use to tell me to just do the right thing (the right things were dictated by a predominantly Christian culture) but I had to make my own choices on what that meant to me. I paid the price, and could of ended up dead. Yet, by finding something way better than what I had, I was saved from my old lifestyle. So, Timmy what's your replacement for what any Christian is doing currently? What'cha got? Statism?
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You know a lot of things that you can't possibly know. Like my sincerity.
Wait, I stand corrected, Allow me to clarify, I believe we are all sincere, some sincere in a search for truth (not the flip chart) and some sincere to do as they very well please. Some are sincerely right, and some are sincerely wrong on many topics, being wrong doesn't make someone a bad guy, because they can get right, but being wrong sure doesn't help them out spiritually.
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But sure, since I have arrived at a different conclusion than you, I can't be sincere.
Yet, funny, but you can say the same thing? Timmy you are hanging out on a religious forum looking to have a hair pulling contest with anyone who dares to say that are sure of what they believe. The Bible tells them to make their calling an election sure. Hence they do. Hey Timmy when you first joined the forum way back, you believe in God? So, you changed, not anyone else who is a believer in the Bible. You mad? Sorry, but I'm not an ex-atheist hanging out on an atheist forum or ex-Christian forum looking to convert atheists to Christianity. That's not what your doing? OK, just an observation. Are you looking for some sort of guilt from someone who believes in a eternal torment? Sorry again, but you and I must make our own choices.
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Arrogant much?
Maybe you missed this Timmy, but you are proclaiming rightness right along with me. Whatever, but you guys must use the same play book.
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Kinda. Thought I was supposed to. Always thought it was weird. Now, it's more than just weird: it's ridiculous.
Everyone who ever lived deserves to die and to burn forever, for their sins. And they can't not sin. And their Designer has no liability in this. No, it's all our fault.
Absurd.
I rest my case.
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Of course I can't document it. I don't have to. You can't document the opposite claim, either. There is no evidence that God inspired any writings. But that doesn't bother you, does it?
LOL... being as the Bible is the oldest piece of written history for mankind that exists, that in and of itself provides more valid written documentation with our position than your position...
Could you explain the best way *you think* God could possibly communicate with humanity? Just curious to see your opinion on this.
LOL... being as the Bible is the oldest piece of written history for mankind that exists,
It isn't. Not even close. Where did you get that idea?
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that in and of itself provides more valid written documentation with our position than your position...
Could you explain the best way *you think* God could possibly communicate with humanity? Just curious to see your opinion on this.
First of all, I don't really need to speculate. God would just know. But if I were to speculate, I could come up with some possibilities, flawed as they may be (I'm not God!).
He could have just implanted whatever he wanted us to know in our minds, from birth or at some young age. Another cool idea would be to plop a bunch of audio/visual communication devices (something like TVs, but way better and cooler) and talk to us. There would have to be some assurance that this could not have been rigged by nefarious fellow humans or, worse, by evil beings that just want to deceive us. Come to think of it, any method I could think of would be subject to such problems.
And books written by humans are about the least reliable method I could think of!
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It isn't. Not even close. Where did you get that idea?
What other pieces of writings are there that date back thousands of years?
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First of all, I don't really need to speculate. God would just know. But if I were to speculate, I could come up with some possibilities, flawed as they may be (I'm not God!).
He could have just implanted whatever he wanted us to know in our minds, from birth or at some young age. Another cool idea would be to plop a bunch of audio/visual communication devices (something like TVs, but way better and cooler) and talk to us. There would have to be some assurance that this could not have been rigged by nefarious fellow humans or, worse, by evil beings that just want to deceive us. Come to think of it, any method I could think of would be subject to such problems.
And books written by humans are about the least reliable method I could think of!
Flawed indeed. All ideas that you (or anyone else for that matter) might come up with are flawed, because after all, we humans can't be trusted - right? LOL.
However, it is reasonable to believe that humanity was created and brought forth into being for a reason, and a purpose. I choose to believe it is because God wants to have a relationship with me. And the way He has chosen to communicate to humanity has been varied throughout history.
So, it is your *choice and opinion* to believe that God doesn't want a relationship with His creation. However, I choose to believe that He does, and I am actively pursuing that relationship. He is the Creator, and as the Creator, He gets to pick and choose how things are. I may not understand why God chose the certain methods of communication that He has, but I choose to believe in Him, and seek out a relationship with Him, because He is the Creator, and I am just a created being with a limited existence. I don't get to tell Him what I think He should do, but since He holds my eternal destiny in his Hand (being the Creator), I choose to pursue a relationship with Him, because His rules and His ways ultimately will the final end for me. He was here before me, and He will be here after I die. And I choose to believe that.
Of course, you are entitled to your opinions as well, just keeping in mind the finite existence that you have, and that God will go on existing even after you have died. Your death will make no difference to Him, He will still exist whether you choose to believe He exists or not.
Ok, let me rephrase that statement, thanks for catching it. I meant, the Bible is the oldest collection of books with records of events that date back thousands of years, and events that correlate with other pieces of writings and historical events that have taken place throughout history.
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