Homosexuality question

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

A couple of points I have thought of concerning homosexuality being hereditary. It is my opinion because of hormonal things that some men and ladies might be more masculine of feminine. Also because of that part of their genetic design they my spend most of their childhood fitting in with the opposite gender.

For instance: A little boy (we have termed thru the years as a sissy) fits in better with little girls growing up and as he grows up he begins to be attracted to the same things the girls are (other boys). this is only a opinion!

Also: A little boy or girl grows up in a unbalanced home with only a feminine or masculine figure in their life. this is only and opinion!

Also: A child being sexually abused could cause sexuality confusion.this is only and opinion!

I personally believe most every human alive has had some strange fleeting thoughts about sexual perversion in their life, but most don't allow the thought to stay in their minds, while others may be in a more friendly enviroment to such ways of thinking. I believe the media now potrays homosexuality as a positive and acceptable behavior and people are more comfortable with the the idea. I don't believe people are born homosexual, but I believe it is developed some through personality (can't be helped), experiences(may not can be helped), and choices(can be helped).

People who are involved in beastiality probably have a attraction or a lustful desire to an animal. Can we say because of this attraction that this person is a animosexual and excuse it and proclaim it normal. Maybe even legalize marriage between man and beast? certainly not. We should not be abusive to people for their different choices, neither should people force acceptance of those choice on others. I will treat the homosexual with the same respect I will the heterosexual, but I will never agree with that behavior because it is Biblically wrong.

I do believe that most homosexuals probably can't help their attractions to the same sex. I think that sinful nature is something we are all born with and it was not the will of God. We can thank Adam and Eve for that not God. I hope people understand that it is not God's fault because of your sexual desires.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

God is 100% righeousness. He doesn't desire us to go to Hell, but I believe outside of God
hell is the only other thing. God's rightousness keeps Him from fellowship with the works of unrightousness. (its nothing personal)

Amen brother, good post.

I think that homosexuality is presented by evil spirits to ALL souls at some given time in their lives. The majority of folks just think it is a "weird" thought that they had and dismiss it. But a small fraction just give in to the tempter and try it.

I had a co-worker friend that was a mans' man(now deceased), tough as nails., he also was a brother in the church.
He told me he was in his 20's and out partying with friends and a carload of homosexual men gave him a ride somewhere. He said when he got in the car, he immediately felt a euphoria(like a headrush) of immoral thoughts in his head, he never even heard of pentecost at the time. He said he had to get out of the car because of the "high" he was feeling. He came very close to turning gay for the moment.

Folks need to realize that evil spirits are influencing them to continue these (besetting) sins. If these folks could actually see the spirits that are tempting them, they would stop immediately. I could tell much more stories of "spiritual" attacks because of besetting sins, but it would just send us down a rabbit hole of demon talk.

[houston]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

only to better understand.....yes please.

Ok. I used to have very detailed dreams that I was an adult engaging in sex with men. I didn't know what lust was then, if you want to call it a spirit, it was present- felt in the dreams. But memories are funny things. Some aren't real.

At the age of 5 I was at the top of a slide with a kid from my kindergarten class. He wanted to go down the slide. I didn't let him. I told him that he was my wife. I didn't touch the kid. I was just blocking the way down the slide. I let him down because he began to cry. I didn't want to get into any trouble. I do remember that the flag was at full mast.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by houston

Ok. I used to have very detailed dreams that I was an adult engaging in sex with men. I didn't know what lust was then, if you want to call it a spirit, it was present- felt in the dreams. But memories are funny things. Some aren't real.

At the age of 5 I was at the top of a slide with a kid from my kindergarten class. He wanted to go down the slide. I didn't let him. I told him that he was my wife. I didn't touch the kid. I was just blocking the way down the slide. I let him down because he began to cry. I didn't want to get into any trouble. I do remember that the flag was at full mast.

I don't want to get too personal, but do you think think that you were possibly exposed to somethings that were too graphic as a child. I have heard of someone who had constantly been exposed to his father raping his mother from the adjoining bedroom. This person has grown up heterosexual, but began engaging in sexual activities very young and very frequently.

This is sometimes I believe how spirits may be involved. A lot of times you see families who pass down their vices to their children. Spirit? Genetics? learning from your parents example? Maybe a little of each? I don't know what it is exactly that causes mankind's shameful behavior, but I know Christ has called us out of these lifestyles and maybe we just give some of these things too much attention.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Timmy, I have grown children. They are not gay, but any other sin that they are involved in could cause them to be lost. I suggest you just pray for your son like I must. Welcome to this side of parenting bro.

Not to put words in his mouth, but I suspect (correct me if I am wrong) Timmy sees no sin in homosexuality or the need to pray for such people.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How come Homosexuals know they are Homosexual at 3 and Heterosexuals do not know they are Heterosexuals at 3?

Exactly. Something is amiss. I had no thoughts of anything sexual before puberty.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

You are not belittling my son.

That's a lie. I said it was my general opinion of anyone in that situation, not your son as though I belittled him. I belittled no one. I criticize their motives and intentions. I said they're severely mistaken as though they think they know more than what they actually do. They have need to be less arrogant, though I do not think they intend on being arrogant.

You need to know the significance of intention.

You are merely claiming that he is making excuses to sin.

Another falsehood.

I intended no such thing. I said that in general, the homosexuality community has rallied with the new idea hardly ever before espoused, if at all, that they are born that way due to the outcry against the sin. If someone is born that way, then they are implying they are not responsible. I am not saying everyone who claims they're born with the perversion says so because they want to excuse themselves, but I believe the one who started that nonsense intended an excuse.

So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?

Deserves to burn in hell? Where did that come from. It's like one of those words such as HOMOPHOBIA which implies people against the sin are afraid of it, when fear has nothing to do with it. Repulsion, yes. But not fear. lol.

God is the one who determines who deserves what. Not us.

Please answer this question. Not something I didn't ask. Don't explain how he can avoid burning in hell. Don't avoid it. Don't hem and haw. Just answer it. Please.

Sorry. You sound like the man who asked a question to Churchill that Churchill claimed was a baited question.... "Do you STILL beat your wife? Answer yes or no only."

The problem your words fall under is in thinking that with all YOU know about a situation, having tried all YOU KNOW, that you you exhausted every possible scenario or explanation, when in reality it was only all YOU knew. You're human and do NOT KNOW every possibility. Sorry. Trying to dismiss the God of the bible tends to make people act like God themselves.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not to put words in his mouth, but I suspect (correct me if I am wrong) Timmy sees no sin in homosexuality or the need to pray for such people.

Well, sometimes a man or woman gets beat down by lifes' trials and disappointments. We think that the Lord is 10,000 miles away from us when we pray. We can just end up complacent and faithless in the end.

There is nothing greater than the RENEWAL of the Holy Ghost, which is just a prayer, mixed with faith away!

We are the pillars of faith to our unsaved loved ones. We must walk with the Lord Jesus before them, even when they fall into sin. When they are sick and tired of being sick and tired, they will look our way for hope and salvation.

Our faith is like a splinter to the sinner. It reminds them that they have a wound that must be dealt with. We dont even have to say anything religious to them...they just know.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, sometimes a man or woman gets beat down by lifes' trials and disappointments. We think that the Lord is 10,000 miles away from us when we pray. We can just end up complacent and faithless in the end.

There is nothing greater than the RENEWAL of the Holy Ghost, which is just a prayer, mixed with faith away!

We are the pillars of faith to our unsaved loved ones. We must walk with the Lord Jesus before them, even when they fall into sin. When they are sick and tired of being sick and tired, they will look our way for hope and salvation.

Our faith is like a splinter to the sinner. It reminds them that they have a wound that must be dealt with. We dont even have to say anything religious to them...they just know.

I surely do not want to put words in Timmy's mouth, but from what I've chatted with him about in the past, he walked away from anything to do with a renewal in the Holy Ghost. He seems to be here purely to sow doubt about Jesus and the Bible into the minds of his readers. At least that's what I see him do mostly, in my opinion.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I surely do not want to put words in Timmy's mouth, but from what I've chatted with him about in the past, he walked away from anything to do with a renewal in the Holy Ghost. He seems to be here purely to sow doubt about Jesus and the Bible into the minds of his readers. At least that's what I see him do mostly, in my opinion.

Timmy...pray through!!!
I want you speaking in tongues and slain in the Spirit tonight!
Just a few minutes of prayer, praise and faith is all it takes bro.!!!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Timmy...pray through!!!
I want you speaking in tongues and slain in the Spirit tonight!
Just a few minutes of prayer, praise and faith is all it takes bro.!!!!

Some people feel they are divinely omniscient and cannot have possibly missed something when they claimed they tried the God of the bible and He failed them.

Our minds are less than the size of grains of sand compared to the mind of God that the universe cannot contain. But still that doesn't stop folks from feeling they know all that can be known.