What you posted was wrong. Simple as that. Argue with my son, if you like: his testimony contradicts your baseless claim. He begged God to make him straight. When God didn't do that, it led to depression. He thought about killing himself every single day. Yeah, you tell him he is just making an excuse for sin.
I guess there's no way we could have missed something in how we pray or how it shoudl be dealt with. Deliverance, or prayer, or fasting. Nah, we could nto miss anhything. God must have, eh? Not.
In no way am I belittling your son. It's not personal. It's just that we think we exhausted all the areas, when we simply asked amiss. All I know is that I saw people delivered, which required more than just a prayer. There's more to seeing God's will accomplished than prayer, you know.
I guess it requires faith to realize we simply don't have all the answers, and we just cannot know everything just because we think we can. Faith also implies there may be more than what we know and understand, and that it's not the Bible or God that is wrong, but us . We're not ones whom the universe cannot contain, you know. You do know that, right?
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I guess there's no way we could have missed something in how we pray or how it shoudl be dealt with. Deliverance, or prayer, or fasting. Nah, we could nto miss anhything. God must have, eh? Not.
In no way am I belittling your son. It's not personal. It's just that we think we exhausted all the areas, when we simply asked amiss. All I know is that I saw people delivered, which required more than just a prayer. There's more to seeing God's will accomplished than prayer, you know.
I guess it requires faith to realize we simply don't have all the answers, and we just cannot know everything just because we think we can. Faith also implies there may be more than what we know and understand, and that it's not the Bible or God that is wrong, but us . We're not ones whom the universe cannot contain, you know. You do know that, right?
You are not belittling my son. You are merely claiming that he is making excuses to sin. You are merely saying he asked amiss.
So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?
Please answer this question. Not something I didn't ask. Don't explain how he can avoid burning in hell. Don't avoid it. Don't hem and haw. Just answer it. Please.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
What you posted was wrong. Simple as that. Argue with my son, if you like: his testimony contradicts your baseless claim. He begged God to make him straight. When God didn't do that, it led to depression. He thought about killing himself every single day. Yeah, you tell him he is just making an excuse for sin.
I think we approach this from the wrong view of "make me straight". I never prayed "God make me not an adulterer"
I am what I am, a fallen human with a fallen nature. Homosexuals are people with a fallen nature and that nature is what we need to "Mortify", all of us
We do it through constant fellowship with God and our Spiritual family.
It never means being perfect. It means being perfected.
I think we make a mistake in telling people they can pray and God will make them straight. A lot of what we do/are is a learned behavior over the course of years and such learning is not unlearned over night
So, we should not beat ourselves up for having feelings or being tempted. We should strive to fight temptations but not give up if we fail but turn to Jesus for help, forgiveness and Love.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Nobody is born gay, a pedophile, a pervert with the opposite sex or a person that prefers bestiality.
We CHOOSE to mate with what or who we want. We are not forced by our impulses.
If I were one of the above mentioned, I would become celibate to please the Lord.
Why not BAN sex from your life if it leads you into sin. It is not impossible to do. You have been set free from sin if you have been baptized. You can refuse ANY sin. Try it, it can lead the miserable suicidal soul to a life of joy and peace with the Lord.
Life isn't easy. I have found in my short years of life that there are good days and bad days. Life happens to christians and sinners alike. So many times we try make people believe that when they come to God that everything turns good in their life. That is not true. Many times trying to live for God makes things harder on this earth, but I have hope in Jesus Christ.
That is what God is trying to bring to us. He never said that everything was going to be perfect after we come to Him. This world has been nothing, but pain and suffering since the garden of Eden. I want those who are running from the faith to know that God doesn't want anyone to suffer or even die lost, but it is simply a consequence of mankind's actions.
I don't believe God is just saying I don't like you if you don't do what I say. God is 100% righteousness. It is not that He doesn't love the sinner for their disobedience, but I believe from scripture that the very essence of God cannot fellowship or mix with sin. That is why Jesus gave His life on the cross. So that communion can again be restored. I don't understand why it takes blood for remission of sins, nor many other things, but I believe in Gods' word. I have hope in His Word.
When everything is wrong in my life I still have a hope of a life in eternity. To believe there isn't anything more would be sad for me. My life has not been the best. Not because of God, but because of the sin in the world around me. When I was two years old my mother gave me to go live with my grandparents while keeping my older sibling. My older brother knew his dad while my whole life I was a bastard child. I always felt like I was a mistake.
I could blame my mom for her lifestyle, but then she could point back to her childhood of how she was regularly molested from about the age of nine. I then could go to her parents, but then I would find all that happened horrifically in their life. My point is that sin is the thing that causes so much pain in this life and if the blood of calvary is applied to our life. Then we can have hope in a life where sin no longer exsists.
If your are struggling with homosexuality? Then fight the good fight of faith. If you have eternal life with Jesus you will never struggle with those things again. There will come a day when there will be no lust of the flesh and no pride of life. We can live forever in righteousness, joy and peace forever. That is what I hope for. Living for God is not a crutch it is all I have.
You are not belittling my son. You are merely claiming that he is making excuses to sin. You are merely saying he asked amiss.
So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?
Please answer this question. Not something I didn't ask. Don't explain how he can avoid burning in hell. Don't avoid it. Don't hem and haw. Just answer it. Please.
Here are a few more questions that I'm not asking:
Do we all deserve hell?
Do people choose to go to hell?
Was hell originally intended for humans?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Here are a few more questions that I'm not asking:
Do we all deserve hell?
Do people choose to go to hell?
Was hell originally intended for humans?
GOOD NEWS!
God has now changed his mind, he will now allow everyone into heaven, no matter what they have done.
Hell has been closed, it will be soon demolished.
Hooray
God will personally receive Timmy's son and will apologize for any hard times he has suffered.
God says that he is sorry he has caused so much trouble and we can now disregard the Bible, never mind what it says. God has decreed the Bible outdated as of right now.
BE HAPPY!
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