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View Poll Results: Would you be able to know?
Yes. I have that ability. 7 70.00%
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Old 12-27-2014, 09:56 AM
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Re: You find a piece of paper....

well, it is only natural to doubt, i think, if some Dr. of the field is so easily proven a liar. All men are not rapists, but if you are raped by a man, you would henceforth be uncomfortable around men--which is not a perfect analogy, as no choice is assumed in that case.
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:35 PM
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So your brother wasn't healed of cancer THEREFORE the Bible is not inspired and the gospel is not true, right? I wonder why so many people think God somehow owes them happiness...
Not my point. Would you have known whether God had really spoken to that man, before knowing the rest of the story? Should I have been able to say "No, God didn't say that to you", somehow?

What he said didn't contradict the Bible, of course. But as I have been trying to explain here, that doesn't prove that God actually did say it.
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Old 12-27-2014, 03:09 PM
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Re: You find a piece of paper....

hmm, it can be argued that he contradicted Scripture, imo, in not actually healing--or finding a healer if that was not his gift--but rather making some empty--obviously--declaration of what God would do. It was proved that God did not say that when your bro was not healed, imo.
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Old 12-27-2014, 03:38 PM
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Not my point. Would you have known whether God had really spoken to that man, before knowing the rest of the story? Should I have been able to say "No, God didn't say that to you", somehow?

What he said didn't contradict the Bible, of course. But as I have been trying to explain here, that doesn't prove that God actually did say it.
What exactly is your point? Unless God gives someone a special revelation, or unless the piece of paper contains information that only God and the recipient knew, then nobody could KNOW that the message on the paper was from God, anymore than they could know it was from ANYONE in particular.

Again, what's your point? A man said your brother would be healed of cancer. I presume from your later posts here such event did not take place as stated. Did the man hear from God? Maybe, maybe not.

Ninevah was told 40 days until Doomsday, but they continued about an additional 120 years or so. Did Jonah get it wrong? Not the message, but he sure misunderstood the character and activity of God as evidenced by his response to God's mercy.

So... what was your point?
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It was proved that God did not say that when your bro was not healed, imo.
oh, duh, i get it; is there some way to know in the moment. yes, there is, but i would prolly have missed it. Where in Scripture does it say "You will have the power to determine whether God will or will not heal someone." it's not in there.
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What exactly is your point? Unless God gives someone a special revelation, or unless the piece of paper contains information that only God and the recipient knew, then nobody could KNOW that the message on the paper was from God, anymore than they could know it was from ANYONE in particular.

Again, what's your point? A man said your brother would be healed of cancer. I presume from your later posts here such event did not take place as stated. Did the man hear from God? Maybe, maybe not.

Ninevah was told 40 days until Doomsday, but they continued about an additional 120 years or so. Did Jonah get it wrong? Not the message, but he sure misunderstood the character and activity of God as evidenced by his response to God's mercy.

So... what was your point?
Can you tell if a claimed message from God is really from God?
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oh, duh, i get it; is there some way to know in the moment. yes, there is, but i would prolly have missed it. Where in Scripture does it say "You will have the power to determine whether God will or will not heal someone." it's not in there.
OK, let's forget about that specific example. Forget the healing or lack thereof. Forget about the piece of paper, for now. Let's go to the basic, simple question, as stated in my previous post:

Can you tell if a claimed message from God is really from God?
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OK, let's forget about that specific example. Forget the healing or lack thereof. Forget about the piece of paper, for now. Let's go to the basic, simple question, as stated in my previous post:

Can you tell if a claimed message from God is really from God?
Timmy, I think the better question is how can you know if a message from your mother is really a message from your mother?
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Timmy, I think the better question is how can you know if a message from your mother is really a message from your mother?
Uh. You're kidding, right?
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Uh. You're kidding, right?
Nope. But if your mother is no longer with us maybe you can replace mother with someone in your family that is still here with us. A sister maybe, or a father?
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