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TJJJ · #31 02-14-2015, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

True, but they will be regrafted in to the tree(God) according to Romans 11.

This will happen when Jesus returns to earth at His 2nd coming....

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.(they as a nation WILL believe and ALL be saved when Jesus appears the 2nd time as verse 26 below states)

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Sean. Let's talk about this Second Coming for a minute.

I take it that you are a oneness believer?

Sean · #32 02-14-2015, 07:40 AM

Yes sir, just like you.

TJJJ · #33 02-14-2015, 07:40 AM

So who came back on Pentecost?

Sean · #34 02-14-2015, 07:43 AM

Jesus, in the form of the Holy Ghost.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

TJJJ · #35 02-14-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Jesus, in the form of the Holy Ghost.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

So what form will Jesus come back again?

Sean · #36 02-14-2015, 08:05 AM

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So what form will Jesus come back again?

In His 2nd coming to all mankind?

Right here(kinda frightening to the unsaved world huh?).....

Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:....
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

Lafon · #37 02-14-2015, 09:13 AM

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In His 2nd coming to all mankind?

Right here(kinda frightening to the unsaved world huh?).....

Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:....
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

Sean, are you aware that there will exist a time period of 1,000 years that MUST elapse between verses #31 and #32? If not, then you're stating that immediately after the Lord returns and is seated upon His throne of glory as King of Israel and all of the earth, that the separation of the wheat from the tares (that is, the good from the wicked) must begin. And that, my friend, will not be the thing which occurs!

Verses 32-34 discloses those events which will transpire AFTER the coming 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus upon the earth has ended; AND AFTER Satan & his band have been released from confinement in the bottomless pit & have gathered ALL of wicked mankind at Meddigo for the great battle of Almighty God, that is, the battle known as Armegeddon, during which ALL of these forces of evil shall be destroyed by the "sword of His mouth" (that is, a word from the Lord Himself).

When these things are accomplished, and there remains NO "living" human flesh, then it will be that the 2nd resurrection takes place, followed immediately by His judgment of ALL nations, and the separation of the wheat and the tares occurs (that is, the good from the wicked).

Many make the mistake you've made in the reading of these passages from Matthew, just as they do with the words of Hebrews 9:27 wherein we read: "And it is appointed unto men once to die, and the judgment." There exists a significant period of time which MUST elapse between the moment of the death of one's flesh and that future moment when they must stand before the judgment seat of Christ (a period of time that varies from one person to the next in relation to the coming of the Lord and their resurrection). The statement of Hebrews 9:27, although true, does NOT mean that one appears before the judgment seat of Christ immediately following the death of their flesh.

Such as this is what is known as "rightly dividing the word of truth," and its something that I fear many simply fail to do!

Sean · #38 02-14-2015, 09:46 AM

Lafon, we generally agree in principle, but I care not to separate the passage with 1000 years.

I see it as Jesus returns, separates the good from evil.

The evil ones are "banned" from the Millennial.

Jesus sits on the throne in Jerusalem and rules the planet.(no more wars etc.)

After 1000 years, Satan and his demons are loosed for a final assault.

Then the end of the world comes.

The current world and heavenly bodies are instantly destroyed.

A new heaven and new earth is created for all saved souls.

The New Jerusalem is reintroduced as the LIVING AREA for the saved of saved mankind.(aka..many mansions)

We can only argue the details, but the basics above are set in stone scripturally!