Sabbeth Keepers

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's a day off, family time.

So if the guy takes off work and goes fishing, leaving the wife and kids at home, was it really family time?

I agree that the sabbath keeping was meant to truly be rest. But both parts of the commandment need to be kept. Do you work six days a week? After all, the commandment was... work six days and rest on the seventh. I've not met any Sabbath keeper yet who believes the "work six days" part as much as he believes the "rest" part... but they are both commanded in the same passage together.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Once again...

Regarding Leviticus 23:2, it says "concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts"

Many times the feast days would fall on a Sabbath. The chapter begins discussing the feasts of the Lord, and the Sabbath is discussed because often Sabbath would fall on a feast day. This is the only place where instruction for the Sabbath is discussed with the word "holy convocation". Holy convocation generally meant feast day, and often times Sabbath would fall on a feast day, and so this passage is just outlining how to celebrate the Sabbath if it fell on a feast day.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree that the sabbath keeping was meant to truly be rest. But both parts of the commandment need to be kept. Do you work six days a week? After all, the commandment was... work six days and rest on the seventh. I've not met any Sabbath keeper yet who believes the "work six days" part as much as he believes the "rest" part... but they are both commanded in the same passage together.

Actually yes. In fact sunday is a regular work day for us. I would point out however that the command is primarily "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy". 6 days are allotted to man to do whatever work he needs to do. The command to rest is given so that man would have a day to focus on God and not on his labour.

Modern western society has created the "two day weekend". We have been blessed with a return to an essentially agrarian lifestyle. Believe me, there's plenty of work available to be busy 6 days a week. We look forward to sabbath. Before, at my previous job, I also worked 6 days a week most weeks. If I had sunday off as well, I had work around the house so I still worked 6 days a week.

If a man or family is blessed with a genuine two day weekend, with NO WORK NEEDED WHATSOEVER, they should count their blessings. The way things are going I suspect we are all gonna be soon finding out how nice we've had it the last 50-60 years.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Regarding Leviticus 23:2, it says "concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts"

Many times the feast days would fall on a Sabbath. The chapter begins discussing the feasts of the Lord, and the Sabbath is discussed because often Sabbath would fall on a feast day. This is the only place where instruction for the Sabbath is discussed with the word "holy convocation". Holy convocation generally meant feast day, and often times Sabbath would fall on a feast day, and so this passage is just outlining how to celebrate the Sabbath if it fell on a feast day.

It is not outlining how the sabbath should be kept "if it fell on a feast day". Not trying to be rude but that's really a lame response. Seriously. Again, nothing personal and I don't mean to offend or anything but for real? You're gonna go with that?

It doesn't say what you say. No "if" in the text there. It says THESE ARE THE FEASTS OF THE LORD and then outlines them, starting with the weekly sabbath. Of that weekly sabbath says it says it is a holy convocation. No, nothing about "going to the tabernacle/temple" but that's irrelevent because the tabernacle/temple was not equivalent to a "church assembly" anyway.

It is what is, a holy convocation.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think the issue is pretty plain in New testament against Sabbath. But acts 2:38 is plain as well and people don't agree with it. But Romans 14 said to not let the issue divide us. Paul believed it's one thing that the Lord himself will judge, not us. In that context he said let each one be fully persuaded in his own mind.

The very fact that Paul taught that proves the point. If it were an imperative, Paul would have made it plain. There would be no question.

[Aquila]

To me, those who demand that we keep the Sabbath as embodied in the Law and those who have claimed to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday are both wrong. Two extremes going in two different directions.

[Aquila]

I don't recall anyone commenting on this post I presented earlier in the conversation:

Originally Posted by Aquila

Esaias, here's another perspective...

As was Jewish custom.

Again, as was customary. They also went to temple and taught in synagogues until they were cast out.

Yes, as most early Christians were of Jewish heritage.

Ah... Gentiles. Like me.

When Gentiles were confronted with keeping the Law of Circumcision and other Laws from the OT the church stipulated four simple admonishments:

1.) Avoid meats sacrificed to idols.
2.) Avoid blood.
3.) Avoid meats that have been strangled.
4.) Avoid sexual immorality.

Nowhere is keeping the Sabbath listed, as it relates to Gentiles. In fact, there was the promise of no other burden. Gentile Christians began to abandon the Sabbath and meet on the Lord's Day to distinguish themselves from Judaizing Christianity. Now, under the New Covenant... it really doesn't matter what day in which you wish to gather and worship. So, be at peace. This is walking in the Spirit.

Oh... and remember... some leading Oneness theologians (Modalists) ranted and raged against Trinitarianism and Arianism within the regions of Rome and Alexandria.

Ah, but it appears to have been common practice among believers in Corinth to gather together on the first day of the week. Paul admonishes them to set aside their offerings in support of other churches on this day.

Ah... but within context.

Context. It reads...

Hebrews 4:9-10 (ESV)
9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Do we only rest from the works of the Law or enter God's rest on the 7th day? No! God forbid. The Sabbath rest is within the true and spiritual Sabbath... this New Covenant. Those who enter into the New Covenant Church enter into this Sabbath rest... a rest that has endured for over 2,000 years now, day in and day out. A superior Sabbath that the 7th day Sabbath was only a type and shadow of.

It is written...

Romans 13:8-10 (ESV)
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Notice... Paul references the Ten Commandments. Paul then goes on to state that these, and any other commandment, are fulfilled in one single commandment to live by... love.

Love fulfills the Law. Law would have us enter God's rest only one day in 7. Love would have us enter God's rest every day. Imagine only showing your wife that you loved her one day a week! Under grace, we are free from the Law... and we show God that we love Him 24/7! Love is therefore an infinitely superior law to live by.

Consider the Covenants:

1.) Edenic Covenant - Dispensation of Innocence
2.) Ademic Covenant - Dispensation of Conscience
3.) Noahic Covenant - Dispensation of Government
4.) Abrahamic Covenant - Dispensation of Patriarchs
5.) Mosaic Covenant - Dispensation of Law for Israel
6.) Davidic Covenant - Dispensation of Messianic Promise (Upon the Throne of David)
7.) Messianic Covenant/Covenant of Christ's Blood - Dispensation of Grace (Sabbath Dispensation/Church Age)

We are in the 7th Covenantal Day (Sabbath Dispensation)... and have been since the cross. It is entered through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This Sabbath will remain until Christ returns. Then we shall see the Advent of the Kingdom. Those who do not enter into this covenant of grace... are violating this Sabbath rest and will not enter into the Kingdom.

[Sean]

1.) Edenic Covenant - Dispensation of Innocence
2.) Ademic Covenant - Dispensation of Conscience
3.) Noahic Covenant - Dispensation of Government
4.) Abrahamic Covenant - Dispensation of Patriarchs
5.) Mosaic Covenant - Dispensation of Law for Israel
6.) Davidic Covenant - Dispensation of Messianic Promise (Upon the Throne of David)
7.) Messianic Covenant/Covenant of Christ's Blood - Dispensation of Grace (Sabbath Dispensation/Church Age)
We are in the 7th Covenantal Day (Sabbath Dispensation)... and have been since the cross. It is entered through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This Sabbath will remain until Christ returns. Then we shall see the Advent of the Kingdom. Those who do not enter into this covenant of grace... are violating this Sabbath rest and will not enter into the Kingdom. QUOTE AQUILA



Bro. Aquila, I like your post but let me show you something about the 7th covenant you mentioned here.....

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.(the Law cannot DISANNUL Promise)

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Brother, we are actually under the PROMISE(Abrahams') dispensation that NEVER ended.(the Law could not disannul promise, therefore they existed simultaneously.)

Brother, we are "adopted" into the 4th one you mentioned....(the 7th dispensation should be the Millennial reign, which is another "extension" of the covenant to the "fathers")....

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree that the sabbath keeping was meant to truly be rest. But both parts of the commandment need to be kept. Do you work six days a week? After all, the commandment was... work six days and rest on the seventh. I've not met any Sabbath keeper yet who believes the "work six days" part as much as he believes the "rest" part... but they are both commanded in the same passage together.

interesting you mention this, as i was convicted of the same thing! So i make it a point to break a sweat Sunday, myself.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't recall anyone commenting on this post I presented earlier in the conversation:

I'll comment, ...

Great great explanation!