Sabbeth Keepers - Page 9

KeptByTheWord · #81 02-13-2015, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ok well understand that i have no desire to sway anyone's belief in the matter; be confirmed in your own mind, as Scripture says. If the NT does not flatly incorporate the Sabbath into Christianity, it cannot be rightly said that it unincorporates it, either. It is left ambiguous, like many concepts; methinks apurpose.

It seems to me that maybe Sabbath should be seen as a gift, that one may take or leave. There is no law requiring it now, and it should not become a point of contention, as with many SDAs, despite their official dogma.

Paul also said "Will i then go out, and start breaking Commandments? God forbid!"

Ambiguous is exactly right Shazeep. There is no firm commandment one way or the other. It is to be a personal thing, as unto the Lord.

I believe as you do - the Sabbath keeping is something that you do as unto the Lord, if you believe the Lord has drawn you towards keeping it. However, it should not be held as a "higher standard" that you can use to look down on others who don't do it. Paul certainly spent a great deal of time teaching that if you feel led to do or set something apart unto the Lord, then do it as unto Him, but don't expect others around you to have to follow suit. Just busy yourself keeping it as unto the Lord.

In this way, Sabbath keepers who do not judge those who don't keep the Sabbath, then that is acceptable, and I can have fellowship with them, and worship with them. But when they use this Sabbath keeping as a way to beat people up who don't do it, then it becomes a problem.

TGBTG · #82 02-13-2015, 11:35 AM

Saturday is the only day to worship. Do not worship on any other day. All you folks that have mid week fellowship are pagan.

Aquila · #83 02-13-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

The law of the spirit will never contradict the written word. Love is the highest law there is.

The Spirit never contradicts the written word. However, the Spirit often challenges our limited interpretations of it. Remember the "New Issue"?

mfblume · #84 02-13-2015, 12:38 PM

I think the issue is pretty plain in New testament against Sabbath. But acts 2:38 is plain as well and people don't agree with it. But Romans 14 said to not let the issue divide us. Paul believed it's one thing that the Lord himself will judge, not us. In that context he said let each one be fully persuaded in his own mind.

shazeep · #85 02-13-2015, 01:18 PM

amen. hard to be fully persuaded with all the ambiguity tho. Where you read "NT against Sabbath," i read reaffirmation for it

ok and i think a lot of the prob w/A238 is that Pents have seen fit to append it, not the verse as it stands.

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Why then at the council meeting in Acts did the elders decide to lay on the Gentiles no further burden than they abstain from pollutions of idols, from fornication, and from things strangled with blood. Why were those 3 things chosen to be mentioned for the Gentiles to follow - when all 3 things were clearly prohibited in the OT? This would have been a perfect place for the elders to command the Gentiles to be sure and obey the Sabbath, but there is no record of them doing that. They emphasized 3 items from OT law keeping as essential for the Gentiles to keep, nothing more. Hmmm.

very nice. It might also be noted that @ "The Sabbath was made for man..." would have been a great spot for Christ to abolish the Sabbath, and yet He did not. Actually, there is a sense in which He had just wiped it out, legally speaking, but i think we are going to be hard-pressed to improve upon

"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath,"

iow, let no one get you all plexed about your "days," and follow your heart.
Even for...gag...Easter, i guess.

Jito463 · #86 02-13-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Nonsense, there are plenty of Apostolics which have changed their day of worship to the Sabbath, so yes it does make sense to change something for the truth.

Otherwise why change baptism in the name of Jesus, after all the Trinitarian baptism is deeply rooted in our culture.

Was that really intended as a serious post? Because there's a clear Biblical mandate on how we are to baptize new converts. It's in black and white for all to read. There is no such NT mandate on keeping the Sabbath day. As Bro. Blume has been saying, it's contained within Christ. Nevertheless, we still gather to fellowship with the saints, as the Bible does command. The specific day is irrelevant. It could be Tuesday, and I'd be fine with it.

shazeep · #87 02-13-2015, 07:04 PM

any day lived for Christ is a good day, yup.

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Saturday is the only day to worship. Do not worship on any other day. All you folks that have mid week fellowship are pagan.

hmm, Sabbath is more about day of rest i think; and pick your day as you like. On the seventh day, He rested. i actually go to church on Sunday!

FlamingZword · #88 02-13-2015, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jito463

Was that really intended as a serious post? Because there's a clear Biblical mandate on how we are to baptize new converts. It's in black and white for all to read. There is no such NT mandate on keeping the Sabbath day. As Bro. Blume has been saying, it's contained within Christ. Nevertheless, we still gather to fellowship with the saints, as the Bible does command. The specific day is irrelevant. It could be Tuesday, and I'd be fine with it.

If it is so clear, how come the majority of Christendom baptizes in the trinity?

There is no NT mandate on keeping the Sun-day.
Paul did kept the Sabbath, it's in black and white for all to read.

Bro. Blume is quite learned and I have learned a lot from him, but with all due respect no one has perfect theology including him. Just because Bro. Blume says it does not mean he is always right, although most of the time he is.

If the specific day is irrelevant, why did God ordained the Sabbath, there is no other day that God has ordained as the day of fellowship.

mfblume · #89 02-14-2015, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

amen. hard to be fully persuaded with all the ambiguity tho. Where you read "NT against Sabbath," i read reaffirmation for it

ok and i think a lot of the prob w/A238 is that Pents have seen fit to append it, not the verse as it stands.
very nice. It might also be noted that @ "The Sabbath was made for man..." would have been a great spot for Christ to abolish the Sabbath, and yet He did not. Actually, there is a sense in which He had just wiped it out, legally speaking, but i think we are going to be hard-pressed to improve upon

"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath,"

iow, let no one get you all plexed about your "days," and follow your heart.
Even for...gag...Easter, i guess.

How does the Sabbath being made for Man mean it is always to be in effect? Lots of things were made for Man that are no longer on effect.

KeptByTheWord · #90 02-14-2015, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

If it is so clear, how come the majority of Christendom baptizes in the trinity?

There is no NT mandate on keeping the Sun-day.
Paul did kept the Sabbath, it's in black and white for all to read.

Bro. Blume is quite learned and I have learned a lot from him, but with all due respect no one has perfect theology including him. Just because Bro. Blume says it does not mean he is always right, although most of the time he is.

If the specific day is irrelevant, why did God ordained the Sabbath, there is no other day that God has ordained as the day of fellowship.

See, that is where you are wrong. Prove to me where the Sabbath was made a day of fellowship. I find that nowhere in the OT. It was a day of REST. In fact - they weren't even supposed to leave their homes! LOL