The son’s eternal kingdom?

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jhn 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
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Heb 7:16
Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Heb 7:17
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
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Heb 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever
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Not one verse says "the Word shall divest himself of his humanity", or that Jesus Christ shall ever be less God than he is today right now.

The verse in Corinthians says he shall be SUBJECT, not " de-deified" or "divested of humanity" or any such things.

Why must people go beyond what is written? I never understood the need...

There is a reason why you "see" this matter differently than myself and others, causing you to question why we fail to understand it as you do, and I will try to explain why I believe this to be true later, however, for the moment, allow me to express my thoughts regarding your response as noted above .....

So, was Paul wrong in what he wrote about the matter? I gave my understanding of what he said, would you do the same? One cannot simply disregard Paul's words, you know, for no passage of the scriprures are without merit.

What scriptural explanation do you offer in rebuttal to that which John wrote, saying that the time will come to pass when all of redeemed mankind "shall be like him" (1 John 3:2). What was John implying in making this statement?

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Again, the oldest new testament we have from which our bibles were translated were written in uncials with no lower case anywhere.

Mike, I doubt that this fact (if it be true, and I accept it is because you say so), has any significant bearing on the discussion. I'm confident that both the writers and readers of such oldest texts recognized the distinction, although contemporary translators opted to write using upper and lower case letters to express the common grammar of their day.

[Monterrey]

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[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jhn 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
*
Heb 7:16
Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
*
Heb 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever
*
Not one verse says "the Word shall divest himself of his humanity", or that Jesus Christ shall ever be less God than he is today right now.
The verse in Corinthians says he shall be SUBJECT, not " de-deified" or "divested of humanity" or any such things.

Why must people go beyond what is written? I never understood the need...

Do you believe WE will not divest ourselves of these tabernacles of dust?

Will we really reign as sons or even partake of The Feast without royal garbs.....?

His NAME is Je-sus!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Do you believe WE will not divest ourselves of these tabernacles of dust?

Will we really reign as sons or even partake of The Feast without royal garbs.....?

His NAME is Je-sus!

Not sure of the progress of your chats. So I may have missed something major. But do you not believe we shall see these mortal vessels changed into immortal ones? Or is that what our other brother is saying? Maybe you even answered this or me in another chat. Not sure. If so, forgive me.

That which is from the dust shall be transformed into that which is from heaven.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Mike, I doubt that this fact (if it be true, and I accept it is because you say so), has any significant bearing on the discussion. I'm confident that both the writers and readers of such oldest texts recognized the distinction, although contemporary translators opted to write using upper and lower case letters to express the common grammar of their day.

I am just noting that capitals in the bible are not divinely inspired. So we cannot base doctrines on their absence or presence. The translators did the best they could according to context, but certainly not infallibly. But we should confirm that. I am not 100% sure of it.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not sure of the progress of your chats. So I may have missed something major. But do you not believe we shall see these mortal vessels changed into immortal ones? Or is that what our other brother is saying? Maybe you even answered this or me in another chat. Not sure. If so, forgive me.

That which is from the dust shall be transformed into that which is from heaven.

"...that which is Spirit, is spirit..."

I believe there is a rationale for these bodies of dust: to keep us here on this earth to fulfill God's will.
It was to "...be fruitful and multiply." I don't believe anyone can be fruitful until filled with the Holy Spirit!
And it is only by the Spirit that we can produce holy seed.

"Shall I hide anything from Abraham,...For I know him that he shall command his children...they
shall keep the way of the Lord...".

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Lafon

There is a reason why you "see" this matter differently than myself and others, causing you to question why we fail to understand it as you do, and I will try to explain why I believe this to be true later, however, for the moment, allow me to express my thoughts regarding your response as noted above .....

So, was Paul wrong in what he wrote about the matter? I gave my understanding of what he said, would you do the same? One cannot simply disregard Paul's words, you know, for no passage of the scriprures are without merit.

What scriptural explanation do you offer in rebuttal to that which John wrote, saying that the time will come to pass when all of redeemed mankind "shall be like him" (1 John 3:2). What was John implying in making this statement?

I have disregarded nothing written by Paul, that I am aware of.

As for John, we shall be like him (Christ).

This will happen "when he shall appear". Thus when Christ appears we shall be like him. This is clearly talking about the resurrection is it not?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"...that which is Spirit, is spirit..."

I believe there is a rationale for these bodies of dust: to keep us here on this earth to fulfill God's will.
It was to "...be fruitful and multiply." I don't believe anyone can be fruitful until filled with the Holy Spirit!
And it is only by the Spirit that we can produce holy seed.

"Shall I hide anything from Abraham,...For I know him that he shall command his children...they
shall keep the way of the Lord...".

I feel there's more to these bodies. It is to manifest God's Spirit into the physical. Man is the ONLY creature with spirit, soul and body. Not even God and the angels are like that. And our human spirits connect with God's Spirit, and He manifests our from our spirits through our souls and bodies and into the world around us. THIS is the eternal purpose of God, I believe.

The physical universe is not going away. It's too vast for us on a mere speck in the universe to gaze up and say it's pretty to see little dots of lights in the skies. It's a physical vast universe! This physical realm was created for a great purpose. And we get to manifest GOD into it!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Do you believe WE will not divest ourselves of these tabernacles of dust?

Will we really reign as sons or even partake of The Feast without royal garbs.....?

His NAME is Je-sus!

Divesting this mortal body (which will be replaced with an immortal body) is not the same as being "divested of humanity". Humanity means human nature, the sum total of qualities that make a human a human and not, say, a cat, or an amoeba, or a fir tree, or an angel, or a piece of granite. Humans do not cease being humans at the resurrection, they simply cease being mortal. Mortality is not a necessary part of the definition of " human" anymore than "poor" or "dumb" is. Mortality is a condition humans find themselves in at present, but that will be changed (for the redeemed, anyway).

Christ put off this tabernacle of dust, but still remained human.

My bible said Christ is unchanged forever. What does your bible say?