Saul - Apostle Paul had a devil?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

I second this!

So what if the guy is 15 years older than you. He needs to back it up with Bible... and, besides, we know that ain't in there. I am concerned with what doctrines he may push that would lead people to believe other lies are truths.

I don't recall disagreeing with him in the past even though he, many times, thinks he is never wrong about anything. LOL

This point was so wrong, I was shocked he said it. I think his exact wording was that "Paul was full of the devil." I see Paul as he described himself in Philippians 3:5-6. That is a man trained up strong in the Law of Moses. He was very confident in what he believed.

How interesting, the very moment that Jesus revealed Himself, Paul asks Him what He would have Him do? IOW, whatever you want from me, I will do it. No questions asked. Man, that is just so awesome!

This is what was on my mind when he said Paul was full of the devil. I was trying to point out what the scripture shows to be Paul's mind or at least his actions, but another person was agreeing with him and I didn't respond any further.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

God deals with us differently. I don't know how God "whopped up" on this guy, but I think I could easy say that there have been times that God has corrected me in a way that certainly felt like my butt was getting "whopped" because His correction caused me to see just how incredibly wrong I was.

This was pretty much the conversation. So, my point of view was and is that you can feel incredibly wrong and bad about what you did. You can even feel embarrassed and sick at your stomach, yet, God doesn't give the impression of anger about it. At least, He has never made me feel that way. So, really, it's hard for me to imagine it.

When my father would correct us, He never made you feel like he didn't love you. Now, my mother is another story. LOL! My mother's discipline is what the young man was trying to convey to me about God. Just can't see it. I told him I think his feelings about his wrong is what made him feel that God had dealt with him so harshly. He said, "Maybe so."

[votivesoul]

If what Saul of Tarsus did pre-conversion can be attributed to the devil, then the "devil made me do it" excuse starts to carry weight.

But if we can imagine that even murder is a work of the flesh, suddenly, how horribly humans can be WITHOUT a devil, terrifies. That is too much for some.

However, he that sinneth is of the devil, as 1 John 3 reads, and so, since Saul was definitely in sin, I suppose an argument could be made...though not enough to convince anyone that Saul was possessed; rather, that Saul, in the flesh, was subject to the wiles of the devil, just like anyone else who isn't regenerated from above.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you, Brother. If I gave you the full details, you may tell me I did the right thing. I can't go into the sordid details of that on a public forum, you understand.

I will get my chance to speak about this to him later. He said, in front of everyone, "we can discuss this another time". Anyway, the situation didn't warrant me going on with it as it would have appeared to be an argument.

The way I was looking at it, I was outnumbered by the men and none of them challenged him, so I didn't feel I should press it further. I can be submissive like that.

I will argue with him about it later in a one on one. You can count on that because he was dissing Paul and I can't let that stand.

In my experience, I see people more comfortable taking a negative view of God and His Word than seeing the beautiful power in the lessons. It can be challenging and also kind of depressing.

For example, we were talking about how God deals with us. One person was commenting about how God... let's see, how did he described it? "whopped up" on him for something he did wrong.

I said, "I would be devastated if God spoke to me that way and I don't believe He actually spoke to you that way. I've made plenty of mistakes and He has shown me my wrong by His Word. It came to me so gentle, I wanted to repent and do right. It doesn't make sense to me that God would 'whoop up' on a person."

But he insisted and I still don't believe it.

Just venting... I guess I'm kind of down today.

Did their leader look like this....

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Did their leader look like this....

Probably internally.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

If what Saul of Tarsus did pre-conversion can be attributed to the devil, then the "devil made me do it" excuse starts to carry weight.

But if we can imagine that even murder is a work of the flesh, suddenly, how horribly humans can be WITHOUT a devil, terrifies. That is too much for some.

However, he that sinneth is of the devil, as 1 John 3 reads, and so, since Saul was definitely in sin, I suppose an argument could be made...though not enough to convince anyone that Saul was possessed; rather, that Saul, in the flesh, was subject to the wiles of the devil, just like anyone else who isn't regenerated from above.

That is an excellent point. I asked my husband if that is what he thought was being implied. He said, "No."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Probably internally.

That's not good!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That's not good!

Hahahahahahahaha!

Seriously, some of this is reflective of past churches and leadership. Generally, I ignore it, but this was really over the top in how the point of view was even expressed. I just thought, Wow, are you kidding? You can't back that up and you are expressing your view that strongly? I think that's when I can get annoyed.

Oh, and you will love this one. "Godly sorrow has nothing to do with repentance." I said, "But, the Bible says that it does. II Cor 7:10 says, 'For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation'. Worketh in the Greek means 'accomplishes'. So, you would be saying, 'Godly sorrow accomplishes repentance."

You know what the reply was? "I don't like that translation." Hahahahahahaha!

I said, "None of the other translations say it any other way."

Trying to figure out what in the world is going on. LOL!

[UnTraditional]

I forgive you Dominic.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I forgive you Dominic.