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10-27-2015, 09:01 PM
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Re: Some standing here
I guess that means he is still web surfing?
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10-27-2015, 09:10 PM
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Re: Some standing here
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I guess no answer to yet another question. 
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10-28-2015, 06:33 AM
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Re: Some standing here
The word "assuredly", or "truly" in verse 28 has a purpose, and a big part of that purpose is to connect the previous verse with it. If each verse was disconnected 2000+ years apart, He would've chosen a different word...like "However". Or some word that depressed the 2 ideas, rather than connecting them. Elementary level English...
To me, it's very disingenuous to avoid and ignore that simple, obvious fact.
Jesus makes a statement, and then supposedly fast forwards 2000 years to the their immediate future, connected by the word "Assuredly"? Rediculous. That's like standing in a crowd listening to Jesus say "this generation won't die until this happens", and thinking he's talking about many centuries in the future.
If anyone would care to show me any place in the whole bible, where a verse begins with "Truly, Assuredly, or Verily", while completely disconnecting from the previous verse by thousands of years, please post them. (Obviously separate from these synoptic passages of Matt. 16:27-28 under discussion).
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10-28-2015, 06:57 AM
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Loren Adkins
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Re: Some standing here
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The fact is, the nation of Israel is the thorn in the side of preterism, and the Lord wants everyone to notice it.
Israel is a nuclear power and a daily topic in world politics.
It is an ENSIGN to the nations.....
... Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
It is an act of Almighty God and a huge blow to all preterists and their commentators over recent centuries, that turned to REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY as a means of vindicating the Bible, because of a non-existent nation of Israel, heavily written about in future prophecy.
If Israel would have reformed in the first 1000 years, preterism would be non-existent today. 
Preterists can laugh at this verse all they want, and even think it is speaking about the church, rather than Israel(Replacement Theology).
The truth is, they have no other answer to this verse, except there will be, and is now, a regathering of this nation as the fulfillment of prophecy. |
Sean you don't even know what preterist think this verse is speaking about.
What is most telling, is you think this paltry group of people are an ensign of God to the world. A group of people that in 70 +- years have not even taken control of 1/3 of the land you say is promised them by God, not counting Jerusalem. The only thing they have is a UN charter declaring them a nation.
If this was an ensign of God then why are not the rest of the verses in Isaiah 11, not being fulfilled?
sa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isa 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
Isa 11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
Isa 11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
Isa 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
Now I don't expect Sean to read this through, as usual, there are too many verses for his mind to keep straight. And this post is too long for him. But the fact is that two times in the history of the nation of Israel were they united as a complete nation. Under the Davidic dynasty, under David and Solomon, and when the nation returned from captivity till the time of Christ.
And this prophecy was declared by Isaiah during the Babylonian captivity. Making it fulfilled with the return from said captivity. It is history!
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10-28-2015, 07:15 AM
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Loren Adkins
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Sean
The fact is, the nation of Israel is the thorn in the side of preterism, and the Lord wants everyone to notice it.
Israel is a nuclear power and a daily topic in world politics.
It is an ENSIGN to the nations.....
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Do the delusions have no end? Israel is a nuclear power because they have a bomb, and they are a daily topic in word politics? None of which is giving God any glory!
HOW IS THIS AN ENSIGN TO THE NATIONS?
Christianity is not being spread through out the world because Israel has become a nation! It is being spread by teaching of the love of Christ and the cross.
The majority of main stream Christianity don't give one hoot or holler about prophecy.
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10-28-2015, 08:04 AM
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
Sean you don't even know what preterist think this verse is speaking about.
What is most telling, is you think this paltry group of people are an ensign of God to the world. A group of people that in 70 +- years have not even taken control of 1/3 of the land you say is promised them by God, not counting Jerusalem. The only thing they have is a UN charter declaring them a nation.
If this was an ensign of God then why are not the rest of the verses in Isaiah 11, not being fulfilled?
sa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isa 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
Isa 11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
Isa 11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
Isa 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
Now I don't expect Sean to read this through, as usual, there are too many verses for his mind to keep straight. And this post is too long for him. But the fact is that two times in the history of the nation of Israel were they united as a complete nation. Under the Davidic dynasty, under David and Solomon, and when the nation returned from captivity till the time of Christ.
And this prophecy was declared by Isaiah during the Babylonian captivity. Making it fulfilled with the return from said captivity. It is history! |
Loren, you have bumped your head if you think that destitute and dominated Israel, after the captivity with Babylon, ever controlled ANYTHING in the region.
Read the verse and look at history. They went from Babylonian rule, to Medo-Persian rule, to Grecian rule, to Roman rule.
Thank you for posting the portion of the verse. You are helping me explain future prophecy in detail
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10-28-2015, 08:08 AM
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
Sean you don't even know what preterist think this verse is speaking about.
What is most telling, is you think this paltry group of people are an ensign of God to the world. A group of people that in 70 +- years have not even taken control of 1/3 of the land you say is promised them by God, not counting Jerusalem. The only thing they have is a UN charter declaring them a nation.
If this was an ensign of God then why are not the rest of the verses in Isaiah 11, not being fulfilled?
sa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isa 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
Isa 11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
Isa 11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
Isa 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
Now I don't expect Sean to read this through, as usual, there are too many verses for his mind to keep straight. And this post is too long for him. But the fact is that two times in the history of the nation of Israel were they united as a complete nation. Under the Davidic dynasty, under David and Solomon, and when the nation returned from captivity till the time of Christ.
And this prophecy was declared by Isaiah during the Babylonian captivity. Making it fulfilled with the return from said captivity. It is history! |
Correct Isaiah is showing that Israel would return from their then Babylonian captivity. Jeremiah said concerning this captivity that it would only be for 70 years. Futurists leap frog over the content of the OT prophets books and try to make it all fit within their eschatology.
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
Do the delusions have no end? Israel is a nuclear power because they have a bomb, and they are a daily topic in word politics? None of which is giving God any glory!
HOW IS THIS AN ENSIGN TO THE NATIONS?
Christianity is not being spread through out the world because Israel has become a nation! It is being spread by teaching of the love of Christ and the cross.
The majority of main stream Christianity don't give one hoot or holler about prophecy.
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ensign
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a flag or banner, as a military or naval standard used to indicate nationality.
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a badge of office or authority, as heraldic arms.
Israel is a BANNER to the world today.
Now stick your head back down in the sand and shield yourself from world politics.
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10-28-2015, 08:09 AM
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Re: Some standing here
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Loren, you have bumped your head if you think that destitute and dominated Israel, after the captivity with Babylon, ever controlled ANYTHING in the region.
Read the verse and look at history. They went from Babylonian rule, to Medo-Persian rule, to Grecian rule, to Roman rule.
Thank you for posting the portion of the verse. You are helping me explain future prophecy in detail
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Good, so show us future prophecy in detail 
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