Love One Another and the Cross

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

that is just a way of belittling me, when i can demonstrate from Scripture that love comes first, and the cross is about love. I could just as easily argue that it is you who stumbles, etc. that is pointless.

Either you accept that there will be Sheep in heaven who never even heard of Christ or the cross or you do not. It is really as simple as that.

Knock yourself out. Don't say you weren't warned.

I don't care what you believe just so long as you understand my point. .. you and I are lost if we love everyone to death but have never accepted Christ's death as our own for our righteousness.

[shazeep]

accepted how? with your mouth, you mean. You mean, essentially, that i have to talk like you do. Or what else are you saying?

the reason being, i think, is that men will always devise some verbal "test" to determine salvation; a Spanish Inquisition. No, i do not have to agree with you in any manner, shape, or form about who is saved. Abraham did not know Christ; he still had faith in God and was "saved."

not saying that i would recommend this, don't get me wrong.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

accepted how? with your mouth, you mean.

No. But I already explained that and you rejected it and never acknowledged it properly. So...

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No. But I already explained that and you rejected it and never acknowledged it properly. So...

yes well, plenty of that going around. Sorry. But you are essentially setting up another Spanish Inquisition with that. And standards are not far behind. Then, "us 4 and no more."

And i get ahead of myself; one does not need to come all the way into this understanding immediately--but you will end up there.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes well, plenty of that going around. Sorry. But you are essentially setting up another Spanish Inquisition with that. And standards are not far behind. Then, "us 4 and no more."

And i get ahead of myself; one does not need to come all the way into this understanding immediately--but you will end up there.

Think what you will. You always have.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes well, plenty of that going around. Sorry. But you are essentially setting up another Spanish Inquisition with that. And standards are not far behind. Then, "us 4 and no more."

And i get ahead of myself; one does not need to come all the way into this understanding immediately--but you will end up there.

What?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Think what you will. You always have.

i would not have made this argument 6 months ago; you have clarified this for me. I know it sounds radical; but there is just too much Scripture that has to be ignored for it not to be true.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What?

Acts 2:38 is a great way to salvation, if it changes your heart. But if all it essentially does is change the way you talk, and manifests hearts proclaiming boldly "They are all lost," etc., then you will be known by your fruit.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Acts 2:38 is a great way to salvation, if it changes your heart. But if all it essentially does is change the way you talk, and manifests hearts proclaiming boldly "They are all lost," etc., then you will be known by your fruit.

Whatever you say, boss.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What?

Christianity without the cross is really getting around.