Dialogue with a Muslim

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Originally Posted by shazeep

"You are lost and going to hell if you don't change your mind, and i can demonstrate this with Scripture."

I have posted this countless times here, and have yet to be asked to prove it. Not one time. It would be my first question.

I'll be your Huckleberry. Prove it!

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Originally Posted by shazeep

First of all, the ends brother Blume is trying to achieve is to show YOU that Muslims do not believe what YOU SAY they believe. And he proved they do not believe what YOU CLAIM they believe, by asking a Muslim.
I would say the opposite, with all due respect. The man plainly said that Christ is highly respected, and was to be followed. How a Muslim could even still admit as much, with his olive trees being pulled up by wannabe Jews in bed with wannabe Christians, and his cousin's wedding getting drone-bombed, and his Syrian sister's town getting leveled, i do not understand. Do you? If you put yourself in his place, could you possibly say the same thing? I don't think i could.

No, he said those who believe Jesus is Son of God are lost. Again, so simple a child can understand it.


So I proved that your accusation of us saying we are lost because we said Muslims are lost is self-contradictory since the muslims you claim can be saved and still be muslims likewise believe WE ARE LOST as a wholesale group. Fact is, you actually are unaware of Muslim faith as you are Christian faith.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i could give you prolly 100 Scriptures that will tell you that Jesus is not God, many of them quotes by Christ Himself. Mike entered into the convo on somewhat false premises, imo, as he believes that he has all of the truth, and needs to impart it to others; the very most foolish position to assume, i believe. The exact opposite of approaching as a servant. Why have you sought someone out, to pull a splinter from their eye? There is only one answer, and it is not the answer you want to hear.

I told this guy that is a fabrication and he pays no attention to my explanation and acts like I never explained anything. I hardly know it all. lol And by no means think I have no need to learn and am simply to tell others.

But this is what folks tend to say when you prove your point with scripture. They immediately respond accusing you of thinking you know everything. Much easier to do when you cannot respond with scripture.

Like.... Shazeep, whose sins are covered in the passage that says charity covers a multitude of sins?

No answer.

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The truth is THE MOST BASIC TRUTH OF WHAT SAVES is so simple a child could know. Hardly anything someone can boast about as if they know it all. All I ever tried to say was God's work of the cross saves us and not our own good works of loving people or even God And emphasizing this is called, "he believes that he has all of the truth, and needs to impart it to others; the very most foolish position to assume, i believe. The exact opposite of approaching as a servant. Why have you sought someone out, to pull a splinter from their eye?"???

So, it's not being a servant to tell people the basic message of the Bible.... THE CROSS ALONE SAVES AND NOT OUR GOOD WORKS?

Presenting someone with the gospel of Jesus the SON OF GOD and the cross is not approaching someone to pull a splinter out of their eye. It is showing them that all of us had the same Empire State building of damnation in our eyes and God came to pull it out with the cross, not us pulling anything out ourselves. Again, that would be self works, which I am showing is damnation.
The watchman on the wall in Ezekiel 3 and Ezekiel 33 who warns a soul of danger ahead to remove blood from his hands is not someone looking to pull a splinter out of the person's eye. Talk about distorting scripture! WOW.

[shazeep]

Notice how, without meaning to, you have verified that his salvation depends upon his conversation. He is rejected because he does not talk about Christ the same way you do. His fruit--which reflects his heart--is not considered.

i haven't read your most recent posts, i'll come back for that.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is absurd. When we say He is God we do not refer to his body. You really don't understand basic theology, which is actually quite common for a Muslim

BTW Muslims deny also the most basic and unquestioned Biblical claim, that Jesus is the Son of God. There is no ambiguity there

Ok well, i have already given another perspective on these, and you are not rebutting them, you are just saying "nyah, nyah." Nephilim are also the "Sons of God," and there is no ambiguity there, either. If you divorce the Body of Christ from Christ, you no longer have Christ. Your accusations are self-serving; putting me down to build yourself up. A pox on your theology, if it sends you to hell. God does not judge anyone by their theology.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW Hitler was a great admirer of Islam and Muhammad

one would think that he would identify with Judaism, given his father and all--but prolly he had father issues, being a bastard. He claimed Christianity, i guess. The point is that anyone can say they are Christian. The Spanish Inquisition were determined that they were fighting evil in Christ's Name. When you have identified physical enemies to fear and condemn, and believe you have Scripture that justifies your doing so, it is time to pause and reflect, imo.

[shazeep]

Like.... Shazeep, whose sins are covered in the passage that says charity covers a multitude of sins?

No answer.


not true, i answered this; you just didn't like the answer, because it supports Scripture that you do not acknowledge.

[shazeep]

So, it's not being a servant to tell people the basic message of the Bible...

not when it conflicts with the other basic message of the Bible, deemed "sufficient for them," no. How are you any different from those crying "Lord, Lord?" If an outsider was asked to identify the group who cries Lord, Lord today, who might they select?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I'll be your Huckleberry. Prove it!

we are beyond that now. You have proven it when you showed that you were offended by it, like anyone would be, and with your answers to "How do you tell if someone is saved" and your non-answers to "An OP relies upon verbal bona-fides," and my other questions. I do not mean this to say that having an Acts 2:38 experience cannot lead one to salvation; not at all. Even with a little forcing of the Holy Spirit to provide "utterance," like a strong man. Even though our tongues is glossololia, and not xenoglossy. Even when you feel compelled to get re-baptized. Even though...lol.

But at some point--and i suggest that "Everyone who does not talk about Jesus like i do is lost, especially when they start going on about how God is Love" is a pretty good point--it just becomes easier to admit that perhaps you have entered into a self-serving contract, like men are prone to do. Like i did.

If you have the goods, Scripture describes the results; your "borders" will be expanding, you children will be blessed, fruitful, many other clues. But when you have lost the goods--and who would say that the OP of today is the same as Azusa St?--you will get the other clues; your borders are collapsing, your children are dying before their parents, and they cannot have children of their own, etc. Judge by the fruit.

If your borders are expanding, and you are blessed going and coming, then obviously i am not talking to you, and i say by all means, keep doing what you are doing.

[shazeep]

20If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother,aj he is a liar.ak For the person who does not love his brotheral he has seen cannot love the God he has not seen.am 21And we have this command from Him: The one who loves God must also love his brother.