Dialogue with a Muslim

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And?

and so forget what you have been taught, if it makes you a hypocrite, and abide in love; then you will understand the whole Scripture, and you won't constantly be caught out by verses that don't fit with your theology, and be suggesting that Christ didn't really mean for us to love our neighbors, it's 9/10ths of the law, because that would be salvation by works.

Better knowledge of Christ should bring better life, not more pride and arrogance. If Paul has turned you into a lawyer, and a finger-pointing jerk, here is your permission to seek God on other terms. Abide in love.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And?

shazeep cannot talk without twisting what we say. He claims my words that salvation is not of works, that indicate we are not saved by loving God and neighbours, means we are not to love God or our neighbours. No matter how much I made it clear for a child to understand, he thinks I am saying if we love people we are lost.

Unbelievable. He cannot grasp the truth that faith that saves will work and will move us to love God and our neighbours. But the love does not save. Shazeep craves for it to save so people who don't believe in the crucifixion of Jesus can be said to go to heaven. After all, he lived about half his life under sharia law. Shazeep, itself, is a Muslim sounding name, don't you know.

It's not that loving peop,e will make us lost as he wishes to think we believe. It's that it does not save.

And he thinks if we say muslimsare lost then we are lost. He cannot imagine that statement outside of arrogance. He cannot imagine it is simply applying the primary elements of the bible that determine salvation to circles of belief that blatantly deny those elements are even true.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

and so forget what you have been taught, if it makes you a hypocrite, and abide in love; then you will understand the whole Scripture, and you won't constantly be caught out by verses that don't fit with your theology, and be suggesting that Christ didn't really mean for us to love our neighbors, it's 9/10ths of the law, because that would be salvation by works.

Better knowledge of Christ should bring better life, not more pride and arrogance. If Paul has turned you into a lawyer, and a finger-pointing jerk, here is your permission to seek God on other terms. Abide in love.

I was taught Love. What's your point? I never said we should not love our neighbors.

All I did was quote the bible and post what the beliefs were of Muslims. Is it not you that has become the unloving Judge/jerk then?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I was taught Love. What's your point? I never said we should not love our neighbors.

All I did was quote the bible and post what the beliefs were of Muslims. Is it not you that has become the unloving Judge/jerk then?

He insists there is no love if we say all Muslims are lost. He doesn't think that doesn't mean we're not loving Christians. He seems to know people who made similar statements and we're cruel, so he can't see it in any other light. He'll twist or ignore any explanation to the contrary.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

He insists there is no love if we say all Muslims are lost. He doesn't think that doesn't mean we're not loving Christians. He seems to know people who made similar statements and we're cruel, so he can't see it in any other light. He'll twist or ignore any explanation to the contrary.

He doesn't love them. He wrongly believes love means ignoring what the bible teaches and lying to everyone and telling them "You are saved"

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He doesn't love them. He wrongly believes love means ignoring what the bible teaches and lying to everyone and telling them "You are saved"

True love tells the truth in love. I think he heard his family speak truth in anger that he thinks No one can speak it in love.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He doesn't love them. He wrongly believes love means ignoring what the bible teaches and lying to everyone and telling them "You are saved"

i never said this, either, and in fact i have repeatedly said that this has nothing to do with Muslims, but human judgement. Don't OPs tell each other "You are saved?" Haven't i told you "You are not saved, according to Scripture?" If you have not "held out to the end," by definition you cannot be saved. We lie to people to make them feel better, so they will give us money.

[shazeep]

but you must be a "huckleberry" to entertain the thought. ok.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i never said this, either, and in fact i have repeatedly said that this has nothing to do with Muslims, but human judgement. Don't OPs tell each other "You are saved?" Haven't i told you "You are not saved, according to Scripture?" If you have not "held out to the end," by definition you cannot be saved. We lie to people to make them feel better, so they will give us money.

You missed the point...or you get it and obfuscated.

What I did was quote the word of God and pointed out what they believe. For that you accused me through implication that I do not love

So using YOUR logic you don't believe in telling others what the bible says about salvation

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So using YOUR logic you don't believe in telling others what the bible says about salvation

Bingo. If we do it's called hatred by these sorts.